England woe could damage Tottenham's future

Capello will either walk or be pushed before the end of next week. Lineker already asked 'Arry and he said stick with Capello to avoid the obvious question i.e. would he take the job himself? If it happens that Capello goes to Liverpool then Hodgson might get the job but if Hodgson goes to Liverpool, then only 'Arry is left.

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david pleat

'Arry won't be the next England manager. He may be the best candidate but whilst he's got a potential stretch at Wormwood Scrubs for tax evasion there is no way the England hierarcy could ever employ him.

I think this it's a stark possibility that "touchline" Harry could jump ship yet again! If so what about Klinsmen as next Spurs boss, he knows the EPL pretty well and has a decent track record as a manager as well as being a ex-Spurs hero. Maybe like Capello he's too much of a head manager, unlike Harry's common no nonsense approach? Ultimately I think harry's too old even for the desperate situation the FA board find them self in...but who knows....??

Ringo said it right, the FA will never appoint Harry, most certainly not whilst there is a court case pending for tax evasion!

Harry is to old for the job. It would be a knee jerk reaction and that is not what is needed. We need to build from the Bottom and appoint the staff that can get our national side playing football.

I think Roy Hodgson will take over and groom Beckham to take over . Beckham should take the under 21 job to get is badge . We must never pick names again because Rooney Gerrard Lampard have underperformed. Tom Huddlestone should have gone to this World cup and Agbonlahore Wallcott also should have gone .

Terry proved beyond doubt that when having to think at International level against the big four he is a rabbit caught in the headlights
We must grasp the nettle and use the next European championship as a training event for a young squad we invest in from today forward

Germany proved as I have said many times, you don't need to have age and experience to play in the WC, our guys like Dawson, Hudd, Agbonlahore etc. play in the PL the hardest league in the world... Capello does not get this and so USA Germany and all the rest inc Japan in the warm up rang rings around us. Capello has always relied on age and experience rather than youth and where has it got us .. He has to go NOW!! and that the pratt Pearce with him. Harry will not get the job and so it should be Hodgeson in my book and I agree with Davspurs in giving Becks a go in some form, how's-a-bout a player coach?? Terry, Gerrard, Heskey, Lampard, Upson and anybody over 30 should fall on their sword now and make way so we can reach the EC with a younger team.

if harry did become the next england manager good luck to him.i agree with slim 40 bring in Klinsman to replace him

England manager is just a part time job no matter what the F A say so Harry could do both no prob

No chance, england should go back and let either Hoddle or El tel come back and finish the jobs they started as both left the Job for NON FOOTBALLING reasons

Cannot see it happening guys.Capello seems to carry a lot of clout with the FA.As for England tema. Any team that takes a player like Hekey away deserves not to be in the World Cup.And please Harry do not get Upsom he is slower thatn a wet week.I would rather he stayed at the Spammers to give out forwards more opportunities

if any good at all has come out of this its that Harry surely can't consider Upson.

Upson, Johnson, Barry, SWP and Heskey should never play for England again. they are not good enough

'Arry isn't going to go manage England. He has just got close to his dream of taking a club into Europe proper. Let them give it to Psycho i'm sure he'd do just fine

TAX EVASION CASE. thats the only reason he won't be signed. But, still wouldn't surprise me if he did. I'm Irish, so I wouldn't get anything out of it. At least english spurs fans will get a great national manager.

If Levy presses on with the rumoured claim of pursuing a new Sporting Director (Beregstain), I am sure it would make Harry's decision to take on England (if offered) much easier. If that happens, then we should think of the options for a replacement at Spurs. Klinsmann is out of work and available. Rijkaard has a year left on his contract. Jol still has a house nearby (I think). Unfortunately, Hiddink is about to start his job with Turkey. After last night, I actually find it less easy to care about the England team than before and truly hope that Capello either serves out his contract (so Harry stays), or that the FA offers the job to Roy Hodgson (so Harry stays). Frankly, if the FA had not been run by dickheads in the first place, Terry Venables might still have been there and, instead of singing about World Cup glory, he might be helping create it. One thing is for sure, any pay or bonuses due the team or management, should be forfeited in favour of SOuth African orphans. The whole "performance" was a disgrace. That said, congratulations to Germany for sticking with youth and showing us what it is like to play without fear.

All agree that todays score should have been 4-2, but that would have only truly represented the proportional level of differences in skills betweeen the two teams. The reality of England shambles has been a long time coming and it is not due to one factor. True Capello should take a major share of blame. First with selection--how on Earth could the inclusion of Heskey, Carragher, Barry be justified? Certainly England were unlucky with injuries but all teams have had them and that is not a sufficient excuse. Second with tactics, Beckenbauer comments re kick and run were spot on. Once Heskey plays the long ball is the only tactic. What happened to wide play with Lennon and SWP and Cole and Johnson pushing up? Certainly the latter is not a defender by any measure.
But the causes of the debacle rest not only with Capello and the FA. ---the former should be sacked and the latter closed down-- but also with the current soccer premiership culture where the prime focus is to survive at any cost. Where ball players regularly get crushed-see Eduardo and Modric-- and managers in the lower regions would sooner recruit from rugby League than give skill a chance to blossom. And generally young Enlish players simply do not get a real extended chance in the top 4. Spurs being the most obvious exception.
Today many of Englands gave their all but it certainly was simply not good enough.

Hodgson could do this job part time even if he goes to Liverpool. He has a much broader international profile than Harry and the FA will recognise this. Harry won't be acceptable for similar reasons that Clough was always an outsider.

harry is the way forward for england. I believe he will drop lampard, barry, heskey, upson, johnson. They are all rubbish. As with Barry, I do not think he can play in midfield. As a left footer, he was always robbed of possession..a half fit hargreaves and even a less mobile huddlestone can do much much better job....drop the culprits 'arry!!!

Not a problem if Harry gets the England job...we will appoint Roy Hodgson, a far better manager.

Aren't these the same players that failed in the last World Cup and couldn't qualify for the Euro Championship 2 years ago? I think there needs to be wholesale changes made to the squad as they continued to disappoint. Keep Capello in charge and use the next friendly to try out some of the younger players who are hungrier and want it more. They also need to limit the amount of foreign players in the Premiership as it is limits of the amount of players available to the England manager. All simple changes, but the FA don't have the b ls to implement them.

There's no point changing the manager if you don't change the losers on the pitch. The Gerrard behind Rooney plan is just a reshuffle of the same dross. We need to start dropping all our undroppables and make them earn their place in the team.

Golden generation? More like pewter. The solution is not another managerial change it is a wholesale change in the playing staff. The Gerrards Lampards Terrys have all been around long enough and have never performed for the national side. They look good in the EPL as they are surrounded by top class foreign players that make up for their many shortcomings. For England they do not have this luxury and their true limitations are there for all to see. Can't pass, can't think, can only run and shoot. At the top level you need way more than that. No manager would have made any difference. This culture of names needs to be ended and all of these players forced into international retirement.

YidArmy I agree with you. the non-english players in the PL are the ones that make a difference. our run and shooters are not equiped to play international football.
I hate to say only Cashley Cole looked good through all the games - and he was made to look poor on occassions.

It should be the end for Rio, Terry, Beckham Lampard.
A I said last night....Upson, Johnson, Barry, SWP and Heskey should never play for England again. they shouldn't even have played this WC!

I would suggest Gerrard Rooney still have a part to play.

Gerrard and Rooney are two of the worst. They play as a team of their own (scouser Utd), honestly I'd love to see stats on passes from Gerrard to Rooney compared to Gerrard to anyone else! I want to see 11 players playing as a team not a team of, those who think they're better a few others to make up the numbers.

yid army you got it in one, taken from the tip of mu tongue. I said on
here last week ....that Capello will always be a winner ,top cv and
EARNED reputation. England football team ??? As long as Soppy bollocks and all round smug tart Linekar and the people in charge of what he and other'experts' say are still around, coupled with Sky's agenda the truth is no longer. What wehave now is millionaire's and their Tv right's..footballer who ? Have to say I thought Rooney was exempt from this disease but after seeing him in the wc , not sure if that is the case. 9 years of Lampard and co, world class laughing stock. Spurs all day for me....Rooney and the media embarrassment.
Maybe if they weren't all so far up their own self proclaimed smart
alec arse's the critique would posess atleast some gravitas. Team I'd like sacked most...beeb footy director for forcing (Hansen Lawro Linekar Shearer)horror show Itv Giles, Townsend , Beglin Rooney
Lampard Barry and Terry.

Thought as usual the BBC coverage was excellent. ITV as usual ideal for the retarded chav society.

I just think that Gerrard and Rooney are the only 2 who could play a different way. they both have too much passion and ability to be left out. And you can see when they don't agree with the way they are asked to play.
they just need an attacking side around them.

as for ITV......their 'pundits' are shocking!! If Southgate 'sounds' the best they are in trouble.
Chiles has a big job on his hands there.

OF COURSE I RESPECT THE NEXT MANS OPINION, BUT WHAT'S EXCELLENT ABOUT
DOING THE SAME OLD FAINT HEARTED/TIMID/BIASED AND ENTIRELY DISINGENOUS
ROUTINE THAT THE BEEB TROT OUT. SARCASTIC TENOUS LINKS TO HUMOR . .IE
CANNED LAUGHTER PROVOCATION AND SNEERING RESENTMENT FOR ANYTHING THAT POSESS'S TRUE EXCELLENCE IE MARADONNA-ARGENTINA- AND A EMPTY HEADED SHEARER, WHO BAILED ON HIS NEWCASTLE DISTANCED HIMSELF IN THE MEDIA TO GET COZIED BACK UP WITH gARY. sORRY MATE THESE GUYS ARE MEDIA WHOR NOTHING MORE AND LIKE THE FOOTY TEAM IT PRETENDS TO SUPPORT
UTTERLY PAPER THIN ON SUBSTANCE

Post 31...think you may have one or two issues!! Watch Setanta, ITV and ESPN efforts at showing live football and the Beeb and Sky are way ahead.

The coverage has been like the team. Half of it (BBC - Lampard Gerrard, Rooney, Defoe, Cole, Lennon) pretty poor. The other half (ITV, Green, Terry, Upson, Johnson, Barry, Heskey, cringe-inducingly embarrassing.

Seems like i'm not the only one with issues post /32. I don't doubt your words on Setanta and co, but like some one else has said ' the beeb is still an embarassment in real terms ' just like the footy team. ONe or two issues appear to be clouding your vision mate, I suppose using your own loaf and taste would be an issue to someone who thinks the bbc is excellent (It used to be)! Simples...you get in Letissier Gazza Teddy and Dalglish (all genuine technicians and highly regarded pros) and let them talk sensibly about the game...limit linekars prescence to just being a script reading
tango face and feed the scraps to the lions . 2/ Regain control over
hysterical media coverage . 3/ restore pride and honour over petulance and sensation.4/stop hating on winners or else give up, cos it ought to be us up their being shot down by some smarmy austrian version of linekar and his pals...it lacks dignity or grace let alone intelligence.

whichever channel you look at the 'pundits' are there to give an opinion...with praise one minute and reproach the next.

Take Shearer talking about the team not being good enough. and his opinion of where Gerrard should play.
Hang on a minute mate...weren't you in the side not-too-long-ago where we also failed to win!
If you knew soo much why didn't you say whats what back the and we may have played better!

no-one likes to see England lose. but when did we actually win a tournament game against a creditable team

post 34...Dalglish and Gazza?? Mate what ever you are on please let me have some!!!
Plus, you would need some subtitles for those two!!

Good laugh.

In terms of coverage, I don t feel we have a perfect package. I generally prefer ITV match commentators but BBC s pundits for example. ITV have way too many adverts and next to no pre-post game analysis. Sky, I agree with Yiddo, are way ahead. They have the financial clout and the experience. But they have problems too. Unfortunately, they are top 4 biased and have some piss poor commentators. I liked the Andy Gray, Martin Tyler combo but they rarely use them together these days.

These england are made look good at their club because of the foregin playes that carry them every week-end in the prem All of the over rated and over paid Not one would get in that german team or any of the south american teams To pull on that england shirt should mean something be proud yoyu are playing for your country and the people of it If you have a difference with the managment team sort it out later but get out on the pitch and play give 100%They perform like a group of spoiled kids Where was the buul dog colture of 66 .The like of Terry and co should be hung out to dry along with an over rated manager who doesnt even have command of the english language
So to the next bunch of playes who represent the country pull on that shirt and be proud remember who you are playing for remember those who paid there hard earned cash to travel all over the would to watch you .Now get out there and DO IT

Why is it Capello gets 5 million to pick is Team yet we gwt newt and can see upson was a mistake waiting to leak goals along with a headles Johnson and a missing Terry one leg King would not ave let Germany score four or Dawson . Lennon was the best winger in the prem and i never seen one defender get the better of him here or abroad but he is not fit and is stil carrying a hernia and groin Injury witch cant take a bad tackle thats why he avoided taking any player on the outside because of the pain the same can be said of Rooney he has the worse stats of any forward for shooting and losing the ball . I said when we picke the Team leaving the fastestand best passer at Home would leave us looking slow and no creation and this was the case. Harry should take the England job on a part time bases with Shearer and Beckham and groom them to take over .

England need to stop focusing short term with Sven, Capello and McLaren. The England team need to be completely reorganized and you need fresh blood in the manager seat. Maybe not now, but before the next world cup. England wont win 2014 either, but they should be building up for the 2018 WC incase they win the bid. That will be the only time England will have a realistic chance of winning the trophy.

England have fecked up at tournaments for the last 8-10yrs, the common denominator are the players, who should take most of the criticism. Though Fabio did make a number of mistakes.

Time to break up the dressing room cliques and player power.

Did anyone else see Ashley Cole laughing and joking around as he got off the plane?

Glad the players are hurting!

Faroespur, England need a coach that is his own man. Someone that has the balls to not listen to the media and is prepared to stand by his descions. The trouble is what England needs is not what the FA will do. Everyone thought Capello was the answer, but he cleary wasn't. Lets be honest here, its a job anyone could really. The problem either lies with the real fact that we just aint good enough or that when it came to the crunch Capello didnt know what he was doing OR BOTH!!!! Also were was plan "B2 or "C", please please can the next manager use the friedlies for what they are meant for and use them to prepare for major tournements. There is so much pressure on the friendlies that we have to always field the best team(Based on reputation I may add) and then change things in the last 15mins.

Yes Yiddo, but the trouble is your talking about players that see the pinicale of the career as Lifting the Champions League trophy for their club, not being part of the England World Cup winning squad.

YId 82 quality. Can't do any worse than Pat THe hat nevin lol, I can
understand him in 2 sec intervals only...oh what I had is finished.
cheers

Gray Man...There lies one of the problems. Interesting that the players of other countries still want to play for their countries as well as winning the CL. It seems to be just the English players.

Spurs since '82...haha, good point.

Your right Yiddo, but look at english clubs, Foriegn owners and foriegn managers. They look at international duty as an inconvience.
But lets be honest any man and his dog could tell most of those players werent up for it, so why didnt the manager change things around!!! My fear is that its not just one problem but lots and that they run to deep for England to sort it out

Harry will not be England manager becuase of this current situation (HMRC) and any potential issues because he's from the old school brown paper bag days.
England need a manager who is willing to drop Gerrade or Lampard, stop playing Heskey to suit Rooney (if Rooneys off form as per this world cup then what are you left with?) and will start dropping players if they are not in form.
I like the idea of Hodgson and Shearer......that ticks most of the boxes.

Why the hell do all these so called players need 'An arm around them and a shoulder to cry on?' These A@@holes earn far too much already! Can you imagine our armed forces over the course of history doing this?FCUK NO!!!. We built the largest empire the world has ever seen 2 thirds of the planet was under British control and yet we forced to endure these overpampered overpriced underacheiving babies. All we wanted was PRIDE PASSION regardless of the result. Sadly today it seems we are still worlds behind developing nations for giving 100% as those buggers ain't got nothing to lose. Roll on August......

I Think Capello has found out the hard way ...that knowone could do
anything with this generation of players at national level. Sky has a vested interest in Cleague and prem promotion and as they are the new
catalysts of advertising and revenue the world cup was virtually extinct and had no coverage during tournament time (Tennis anyone). This mind set has filtered down to the clubs the players and then the fans follow in toe, when international footy can be molested by Sky and it becomes of value then we will see the areas of importance change. BY the time our kids grow up pride in football and true briliance will be a staged thing of the past...Rooney the new Pele
???!!!! He couldn't tie Edson's scarf !!!!!!!!

I was surprised to see the amount of passion from David Beckham during the matches and how he showed professionalism in getting the players off the pitch and away from the ref.
Maybe, he should now be involved in the England setup...he certainly showed more passion than the whole England squad.

Beckham would be a good shout in some capacity. I would like to have seen stuart pearce given a go as coach. But unfortunatley he looks more like he has had all the life sucked out of him.

Yeah, good shout Gray Man. With Beckham and Pearce we avoid all the humiliation by not qualifying in the first place.

spurs might tolerate a fraudster, england will not.

Who are the young players who should have gone to the world cup in place of our underachievers. Apart from Adam Johnson I cant think of too many.

They should give the England job to Gazza, he is as daft as Maradona was in his personal life and look how thats turned out. Klinnsman first Job in charge was Germany, Van Basten was Holland even Maradona only managed 23 games at club level so maybe we need to give the job to someone with stature rather than experince. Who? Hmm Shearer maybe I know he got Newcastle relegated but Maradona s club management record was 3 wins from 23 games but now Argentina are Favourites for the World Cup.

I personally lay the blame on the manager s shoulders. Realistically no-one expected Capello to win the WC but England should have performed much better than what we saw. He made massive mistakes. The gambles on Green, Heskey, Carragher, King and Barry all failed. His subs did not make an impact either and the formation he played didn t match his squad selection most notably with Gerrard and Lampard. I don t think Rooney and Defoe worked as a partnership either. Everything about England seemed to point to a 451 formation and he didn t even try it. He also failed to motivate the team which is shocking. The one thing the English are known for his passion. That part is usually a given. Not so with Capello.

Why do players need to be motivated to play for their country in a World Cup?
Why are players not focussing on winning the cup rather then complaining because they cannot play video games or have a beer? What has that got to do with passing to a team mate 5yds away!

The players have to take the majority of the blame.

The behaviour of a footballer is not something I can relate to. They are mega rich young men. However, the FA pay Capello to motivate these players like their club managers manage week in week out. If that was Redknapp at spurs, I'd be wanting him out. He had the players, he had the facilities and he didn't perform despite being paid 6m a year. England should have won that group with the players they had and would then be looking at a pretty straightforward to route to the semi's. You only have to look at the French players behaviour to see what a poor manager can do to a squad. Evra would never do that at UTD.

The good news is 16 of the current squad of 23 will be over 33 when the next world cup comes along. The bad news is there are not obvious replacements at the moment.

Imagine you were a manager and you (being english)were asked to manage Italy you were given 6 mil a year and new if u messed up royally u wud walk away with atleast a 12 mil pay off and walk into another big job maybe even manage the country you come from (lippi might leave quite feasble that Capello is sacked could well be next Italy manager) what would be your motivation?? It is not Cappello s fault at all no way the whole blame has to go to the FA and only the FA how based on recent WC warm up games could you give this guy 6 Million a year contract for 4 years beggers belief. Forget the World Cup games you tell me from what you saw England do BEFORE the WC even started convinced you that we would do well let alone give him 6 Mil a year for 4 FUC YEARS!!!!!!

I was always of the opinion that a manager should make little difference to a player or team's performance but having seen the transformation in spurs from wendy to harry, I'd have to admit that they do. Like Yiddo1882 I don't believe players should need motivation and direction but they obviously do. I sometimes think some of them wouldn't be able to cross the road without help. Sad but, unfortunately, true.

COYS you're a bit harsh on Cappello. He took a team that failed to qualify or the Euro's to one that aced it's qualifying group for the world cup. Now whether he or the team should get credit for that is a moot point, but you can't deny that the form they were in before the friendlies was very impressive. Something has happened since then that has upset the balance of the team.

He was given an extension to his contract after the poor performances in the friendlies my point is the FA will now have to pay out a kings ransom just to get rid of the guy our results in qualifying were good I agree but our performances im not so sure about, im not trying to be harsh on Cappello but on the FA, if players need motivation is it not justifiable to assume that a manager could do with motivation but to give him his prize before his acievement says something, it was Cappello who decided the formation he decided to play Green in the first game he decided to play two central defenders who both like to play on the left side of defence, he decided not play Gerrard behind Rooney (two of our best players in there best positions)why is the question and the only answer i have is because his got his money what ever happens. Will his credability go down no (based on Rafa scrwing up and getting a job for treble winners) he is very highly thought of. The FA need to look at themselves really hard.

I agree entirely Perry Man. Players unfortunately need motivation, they need control. There are far too many examples of clubs/countries underachieving not to believe that managers make a massive impact. If Capello was a club manager he'd be under serious threat of his job. He should have won that group. England should have played and beaten Ghana and then Uruguay. If you think about it, it would have been an easy 6m as he would have come home some kind of hero for reaching the semis having only played USA, Algeria, slovenia, Ghana and Uruguay. These are games any england side should beat and the one out there, on paper, was a a very good one. They are overrated but they are not as bad as what Capello made them look.

Oh yeah don t forget the Cappello index ffs this guys made a deal to rate our players after each game that would really have helped im glad he got talked out of that one but even thinking he sould do it beggers belief.

So my fears could be coming true!!! Talk before the Slovenia match was if we didn't make it through to the last 16 then Capello would be gone. The first thing I thought of was Spurs could lose Harry! Now after the players let us all down yesterday we're on our way home. The FA have said they need two weeks to decide on Capello's future. Which really means if they can replace him with one of their targets they will. Harry has said today he would jump at the chance to take charge of England. This is awful news for Spurs. We finally crack the top four and now it's likely we are going to lose the best Manager we have had for years!!! I will be totally gutted. I have already started praying that Hodgson gets the job. Honestly if we lose Harry it will be a disaster for our club....get that extended contract out!

Yep the worst thing is i wish the FA DO NOT get rid of Cappello because of Harry taking up the job

No point extending his deal, as I mentioned in my article, I think he'd break any deal to manage England. He's always wanted it and was gutted last time round when he was interviewed for it but the police raided his house during the interview phase and he wasn't considered after that. I am hoping they've blacklisted him but there would be a big push from the media to get him or hodgson appointed.

Hey guys, I am not defending Capello. I stated on here, and to anyone else who would listen to me when he was appointed, that it should have gone to an English Man. I believe if you haven't got a English manager good enough then that's tough luck. just like if you haven't got an English creative midfielder that's good enough you can't just go and get one from Spain who have too many.
Capello's team selections were crazy. Green I can understand, there isn't much between the three and either one is capable of a howler. Putting Heskey on the plane was crazy putting him in the team sheer lunacy. Ditto Upson. The available players cried our for 4-5-1 with Gerrard behind Rooney I agree.
But those 11 players in whatever position should have been able to top that group. Capello's poor management didn't help but it's not the whole story.

On the compensation deal, I don't know why clubs and countries cannot specify certain targets for their managers in the contract. If Liverpool expect to qualify for champions league every year, build that into the contract and if the manager fails to deliver, adios amigo and no compensation. If England expect a quarter final and don't get there, Farewell Fabio, and no money changes hands.

If he was managing a club, I would maybe see the point in keeping him on because he could make fresh signings that would listen to his methods. But as a national boss you are largelly stuck with what you have. I don't think the talents of Gerrard, Lampard, Terry etc should be discounted during England's qualifiers for the Euros just because Capello can't get the best out of them. We are talking about players who shine for their clubs despite playing alongside some of the best players in the world.

Redknapp has said on Sky that he would want the England job

i blame the situation around john terry

he was captain and noone rocked the boat under him and he maybe upset a few of the other players with his arrogance.

however once he lost the armband he lost their respect as well and then the team becomes disjointed

we should have dropped him from the team

It is now 24hours since the worst England performance i can remember,and what comes out of all this? maybe my club will lose its manager to the England job.If Harry had any sense or sense of loyalty he would tell the FA to shove it.I suspect though that Harry would love the thought of the job believing he can succeed where other good England managers have failed/been shafted by the FA.As much as it really pains me to say it, i no longer give a toss about England and i only care about my team Spurs.Having seen the way Heskey,Lampard,Gerrard,Upson,Johnson and Barry played you realise it did,nt mean enough to them.Rooney was,nt fully fit but still got played and a number of the others did not get a game this is down to Capello and the outcome is Harry may get England job at the expense of my club so i hope Capello keeps his job for obvious reasons,but think of the England fans in South Africa who were let down by this excuse of a team and all the while the WAGS were staying in 6 star 5000 a night luxury paid by the hubbies and boyfriends who earn too much money for being really average.

If and when Harry goes, it is essential that someone comes in and gets the best from Modric, who I still feel is central to everything that happens out on the pitch. Not only that but I would like us to keep hold of our three Croatians - for me, the best build up and goal, last season, involved interplay between Kranjcar, Charlie and Modders, who finished up chipping a lovely goal against Everton. That said, we could do worse than looking at Slaven Bilic, who played under Harry and has coached all three of our Croats at international level.

What about Beckham...Becks England its got a certain ringpull to it.

sheikh352-----when Harry goes we can have BMJ back!!!! He would be the perfect answer!!

Tell you what Nobbs, the media would Fucking love that one! Could you imagine giving the redtops the opportunity to fawn over Beckham again..we'd become a footballing superpower over night (again). The papers would be calling the Germans out for a re-match, we'd be offering out the eventual World Cup winners claiming 'we can do 'em now'.
I'll tell you what, the worst part of this World Cup debacle has been, the media and the imbeciles they influence. All the 'we're going to smash the Krauts' and 'we're going to win 'cos we've got Rooney' bullshit. It was embarassing. I don't claim to be a football know all but even I could tell we were playing shit and were going to lose to the first half decent team we played.
As a Spurs fan, I can apprecite the need for optimism...and have done for many years but the shit the media spouted was tantamount to a 8 year old giving lip to a 30 year old man...and so it proved to be, boys against men!

I have to agree with you MK about the media. They change from bigging up the team and players to slaughtering them. The whole Rooney must control his temper before the tournament can't have helped him. The Rag Tops want him to take the passion out of his game and then complain when he doesn't play with passion.
Why oh why do people buy these rags.

Not only do people buy these rags, they read them..and believe them! I can't stand having someone telling me so-and-so will win the World Cup for us, then showing me a picture of so-and-so's wife flashing her draws as she gets out of a cab. I'm sure so-and-so will be fully focused on the next game while the rest of the country discusses his wifes camel toe. Build them up and knock them down..but hey, it sells papers.

Fundamentally with Beckham in charge the england team would have better hair.. and right now that is a massive improvement.
Seriouslt though I think the premiership breeds a certain type of player and that obviously affects home grown players more than foreign players who have learned the basics elsewhere.
Foreign players seem able to go back to their national sides and play a more technical game. As Gareth Southgate pointed out if the Premiership is so good why is it so poorly represented in last 16 teams of this world cup.
I say 4 Championship players should be included in every England squad. With so many foreign players in the Prem there must be some real talent kicking about in the Championship.

AS A country we have failed in main sporting events as far back as i can remember if you have a little c then you have a little c ..stuffing jumpers down your y fronts is just a temporary desperate and un realistic measure of saving face. All our players play in Englandin the 'best sky league in the world' really ?????????? Germans Brazillians and Dutch players are scattered round the world outcome...our boys play like strangers to the game let alone each other. OUr nation claims to be Great , perhaps recent political /sporting and economic events would indicate otherwise. Great bullsh greatness is not a word it's a way of life.
Victories, accolades, honours and history dictate these hights .NOt unfounded claims to a sky reporter from JDefoe and Crouch assuming greatness . If you do not work to your strengths others will work to
your weakness's , untill we accept and deliver it's a waiste of time.
Coys

brian - I'd have no problem with the return of BMJ as long as he is given the same freedom from a "Sporting Director" that Harry has been afforded. He has hardly put a foot wrong since leaving the Lane and still retains the love of the fans. When you think about the foreign managers we have had at the CLub, he stands head and shoulders (literally, as well as figuratively) above them all: Ossie Ardiles (bless him), Christian Gross, Juande Ramos and Jacques Santini...I don't know if Ajax would entertain an approach or, if indeed, BMJ would want to return whilst Levy is still running the show...still, if you don't ask, you don't get.

According to reports coming out of italy - spurs have had a bid of 28million for kjaer and cavani.

Look at these pampered kunts getting off the plane with their pillows!!! they disgust me. every one of them. what a total shambles.

and BBC reports say Hodgson is going to accept the Liverpool job...which leaves only one English manager left for the England job.

I so hope Capello stays.

it must be a tough one for Harry. to challenge the best in the CL with a decent english team. or managing your country.
I'm fairly sure he wil go to England as he wil never get another chance.

but would Harry be good enough for England??? It will mean certain starts for Lampard and Johnson! (...oh feck)


I guess we could swap Harry for Capello?? (who at club level is certainly a quality manager)

Slavan Bilic would be a great shout as manager if harry gets his dream job. Bilic stayed with Croatia when he could have had his pick of jobs a couple of years ago. Managers who show that kind of loyalty generally get it back from his players.
I still think Harry is a step too far for the ultra conservative suits in the FA so he should still be with leading us out for the champions league final.

I hope Capello stay too -) . I the only thing i was looking forward to now we bummed out the world cup was that we can get back to normal and start the silly transfer season. But now I'm just wondering whether Harry is going to stay. I wouldnt blame him if he took the position, but come on, someone please tell the FA its only a part time job anyhow. I dont think The FA would gamble on Arry with all the tax stuff and with the state of everything sacking Capello would cost a hell of lot to justify

is that a club trip PerryMan??? where do we get tickets to join that party??
:o)

Bilic isn't a bad shout but if we do need to change manager we need someone with CL experience. Or at the very least experience of managing a top european club side.

I know mdb we could get Ramos...uh know.. DO-OH!!! Do you think Cole would still come to us if Old Arry left!!!

Whats J rgen Klinsmann up to these days dont we get linked with him every time theres a vacant managers spot!

Apparently we've just bid 28m for two players. Personally I don't believe it. Usually when a bid gets accepted, it comes with the agreement that both parties keep it confidential. I think the chairman is trying to spark a bidding war. Kjaer looks a real talent. Would be lovely if it came off. Cavani on the other hand is not as good as Forlan is but he's younger and that's Tottenham for you. If anything it stops us talking about England!

I'm still waiting for Craig Grants response to Brians suggestion we go back for BMJ. And, having read around a few forums, Brian isn't the only one calling for BMJ to return...

I'd like to see how he would fair in charge of his signings. He asked for a DM and got Boateng. He asked for an experienced defender and got Kaboul. This like this went against him and it showed on the pitch as we leaked goals. His last half season was a mess because he lost all credibility with the players as they seem to know before him that he was being sacked. I think him and Comolli had a disagreement over signings and Comolli was in Levy's ear. Harry would struggle under those circumstances. In fairness, he wouldn't tolerate them. Looking at Jol, I think he's learned not to accept that from employers. He left hamburg when they interfered with player signings and asked for control at Ajax.

The jury is still out on BMJ. Though he may not have had too much say in the signings, his tactical ineptness was there to see. No plan B and relied too heavily on Robinson's long ball.

Also began to feel that he was pretty good at the 'spin'. His comments felt empty and was used to sway/fool supporters.

On top of this he did approach Man City and Newcastle nearly a year before his sacking offering his services for a substantial fee. One of the reasons why Levy started to look for a new manager when he found out.

Blatter has said 'sorry' over lampards disallowed goal - bit f@cking late for that !!

In fairness to Commoli (not a phrase you hear too often) Kaboul is turning into a nice defender and Boateng is not a bad midfielder. While they weren't what BMJ was hoping for, if your club has a policy of signing young talent, you have to have the patience to see it through and the courage to let them make mistakes without dropping them when they do. That goes for the fans as well as the manager.

Commoli signings include...Berbatov, Modric, Woodgate, Zokora (who I personally thought got a raw deal from supporters, BAE, Bale, Corluka, Pav and Malbranque.

Overall, I don't think Commoli's signings have been that bad.

Comolli had an eye for a player, there's no doubting that. But he's an awful Director of Football. He doesn't understand to succeed in that role you have to work with the manager to at least get players that fit into the system. As we have seen with England, there's no point have a selection of good players that just don't work. When Harry arrived at spurs, the first interview he gave on Sky sports news was that this squad is very unbalanced. It has a lot of a certain kind of player (I am sure he meant playermakers) and not enough of another (defensive-minded).

You may be right, but before coming to that conclusion we really need to know what Commoli's brief was. Maybe it was just get the best talent you can and what we don't use we can sell!!

I d have to hope that wasn t true. I have more faith in Levy than to behave like that. He would/should know that there s no point buying players and then hoping their values would increase if they are not successful on the pitch. Before Harry arrived the values of Gomes, Modric, Lennon and Bale were all decreased on what we paid. However, now they are in a successful side and being used properly, we are seeing their potential and their values have doubled (at least).

Sorry, Lennon was only a million but you could have got him for much less than what he is worth now.

I think it is difficult to jusge the 'Harry effect' on these players.

Gomes, Modric first season and needed time to settle. Lennon had a poor season before Redknapp arrived but had looked good coming off the bench the season Harry arrived. Bale had been injured and was not fit until half way through last season, so never had a real opportunity before.

So Harry may have had an effect or may not. I don't think it is a 'fact' that he did.

Back to Lennon, he was a success and only had one poor season, the one before Redknapp arrived.

Alan, the post about Commoli's brief was an example. The point I was making is that we don't know what Commoli was instructed to do.

Harry has basically said to the FA come and get me, after what he has done for Spurs over the past 2 seasons his stock is at its highest as far as Spurs are concerned he will have a job on his hands to better what he has done for us howver if he takes the England job the only ways is up. If he does for England by replacing Cappello what he did for Spurs by replacing Ramos he will be a National hero and legend. It really really pains me to say it but the FA must keep Cappello and I for one will be the first to sign a Cappello must stay petition. Transfer news Zamparini claims Spurs have tabled a bid of 35million ( 28million) for Kjaer and Cavani and that the offer was too good to turn down.

"Tottenham have bid 35m, an offer we cannot refuse, seeing as the two players have both said they want to leave," Zamparini told Sky Italia television.

I ve heard of Kjaer but who is this other fellow anyone know anything of him? Were offering alot of money for the pair.

Personally I think he's developed each of their games but we have had this debate and got nowhere so lets side step that one.

What is important is that by being in a successful side as a collective, these players all look better as individuals and therefore we can attract bigger bids for them. That is a policy we should be looking to continue. What we had before made one or two individuals stand out but I bet collectively the value of our squad is higher than it was ever before.

Good point COYS. To take spurs to the next level is a lot harder than taking England up from ground zero. Although this adds appeal, Harrys always wanted the England job. He's never made a secret of that. Even if spurs where title chasers, he'd leave us for that job I think. I am hoping his impending court case will affect his chances but that's a double edge sword as wouldn't be fire him anyway if he was found guilty?

tough one Alan as we don't win in either situation!
I think if offered England he will go. no chariman stands in the way of that.

But as you say can he take us to the next level?? I wouldn't imagine in the CL as he has no experience in it. If you listen to players they always say there is a way to play home and away. formations. key players that come in. do we have that??? any players with that knowledge let alone the manager???

My fear is that can any manager give us that yet? I don't believe this one qualification to the CL will make a massive difference to us. When UTD, Arsenal and Liverpool started to qualify for the CL, they struggled massively, especially away from home. It's a steep learning curve for any club. What we need is a manager that can help us regularly challenge for the top 4 for the next 3-4 years. Grow our name, revenue, facilities and everything else in order to compete in the CL like the current big 4 do. This is a job Harry can do. Whether he can take us to the next, next level is up for debate but we are not there yet to have that worry. Clubs like city will need a manager who can do that now as they are expected to grow quickly.

Oh dear BMJ again. I have no energy to slate his reign anymore.

Why does the england job have to be a full time job anyway. Its a easy part time job at best

If Harry were to go I would go for Guus Hiddink.

Why what has done to you ?

Why, What has he done to you?

gray man ..completely agree, how hard do you need to work at failure to succeed ?

on a different subject......although connected...

has anyone heard anything about who the shirt sponsors are??
all this england rubbish has left me missing a part of my brain that I'm sure held the information

Not a bean mdb. Leaving it a bit late arent they.

should we have any consideration for 'doing a Barca' and putting a charity on the front?

Okay we lose reveune I understand that.
But it might be a nice touch in a country who's (PL) football appears second to its money



I know....pipe dream

My assumption is that the sponsor will be announced after the world cup to give it maximum publicity. Definitely a pipe-dream on the charity front MDB. We may consider it if we enter the new season with no decent offers but I think we are in a decent position.

Zamparini said: Tottenham have bid 35m, an offer we cannot refuse, seeing as the two players have both said they want to leave.

However, Spurs, unhappy with the claim, have taken steps to deny theses reports. A spokesman said: Palermo s claims are inaccurate. We have not bid for these players.

we will only be interested in the overly inflated priced players following the WC

I've often thought about the charity on the front of the shirt and wonder if the charity might be better served buy a team taking the money from a real sponsor and then giving that money to the charity.

I guess the charity would be given some sort of percentage of income.
which may benefit them in a PL club but not necessarily in a lower league club

but its a charity after all. and anything is a bonus I would say.

I think - and I'm not a charity man by any stretch of the imagination - that Levy could do worse than put us up there for all to see....as a club willing to do something about the money in football.

we just have the opportunity as we don't have anyting in place

In fairness the spurs foundation, I believe, is the biggest contributor to local charities in english football. That would be a nice sponsor but I can't see it happening. Selifishly I would annoyed at the lost revenue but I am bit of a miser.

Villa did it but they haven't been lauded for it. Looking at their P L they could have done with a decent sponsor too. We do enough for charity without having to lose a revenue stream to promote one.

Whatever name ends up on our shirts (and it would be a nice touch if the shirt remained a blank canvas, like the good old days), I hope we have seen the last of any sponsor's colour other than navy blue on our home shirts. Red has been a poxy choice.

Second that sheikh352 its worse than seeing your favourite ex out with her new bloke..you dont want to look but you have to.

Rooney caught with a prostitute in South Africe, hence his shocking performance..... papers held it back till they came home... will all come out now!

Whereas I can understand the England players having a beer at the end of the tournament, the fact that Ledley King took a picture and sent it to his friends with the tag line 'Home Time, then Holiday Time' showed how little the players care.

I have lost patience with the piss head injury prone defender and think it is a disgrace he is our club captain.

Legless King. The trouble is we have just awarded him a 3 year deal. IMO, he won't see that deal out. His reading of the game and heading ability are still top notch but he's lost a great deal of pace and he also gets turned a lot more easily. Henry once called him the best defender he has ever played against, my guess is that a 25 year old Henry would tear King apart. He's still better than Bassong and Kaboul but the gap is closing.

"A 25 year old Henry would tear King apart".....well yeah, and on current form I could run rings round George Best and Pele.

Point taken but the difference is that those players are old-timers. King is 29. Is body is deteriorating at a faster than normal rate. At this age, defenders are usually hitting their prime meaning a 25 year old Henry would be easier for King to handle under normal cicumstances. However, due to his chronic injuries, King is losing pace and mobility (IMO). I see him as a 33-34 year old player. It's not quite dog years but King years!

The boozing is increasing the deterioration as well. How he got offered 3yrs at 70k per week is a joke.

I suppose now that he has had his WC holiday he will be back to one game a fortnight!

I thought Harry was supposed to have taken a hardline against drinking. What happened? First, he makes Robbie Keane the team captain, who ptromptly organizes an unauthorized piss-up in Dublin. Then, our Club captain, the person who should be the walking embodiment of Harry's policies and the ultimate example to his teammates and the youngsters coming through the ranks, get into a nightclub fiasco and now does something quite unbecoming, given the mood of the nation's football supporters. I suddenly feel quite let down. I now wish Croatia had qualified instead of England. Watching Luka, Nico and Charlie would have given me much more pleasure. Funny how you never hear their names being raised in the same sentence as "bad behaviour."

COYS

I just think its all be blown way out of proportion. Christ I know they are paid stupid money etc etc. But the england players now have no private, the papers are waiting to catch players doing something, alright hookers and nude photos and cheating on your wife are un forgivable but having a beer with the lads after isnt .I know if i have a bad day a work, i quite enjoy going on the lash with me mates, the difference is i wont be hounded by the papers. That doesnt excuse their performance, just another thing wrong with english football.

I couldn't agree more Gray Man. These Witch Hunts make playing for England a chore rather than a pleasure and an honour. Rooney knew his temper was under scrutiny by the rag tops and played like a man holding back. The Tabloids have a lot to answer for as far as I am concerned.

Why can't the England manager be a part time job?? The players are part time England players!!! The manager would still see all the players playing either when they play Spurs or on TV the same as when Capello goes to a game. It seems that there's alot of spare time going to waste for a full time England boss!

Perry there is so much wrong with english football. That is just part of it. Look at the way the players werent alowed out whilst they were there,(Apart from the obligoratory vist to some poor village) There is no longer a team atmosphere with the english team, going out as a group of lads would have done them a world of good, (Bring on the dentist chair I say) These lads play week in week out with some fierce rivalry, the needed something to bring them as a team.

Definitely the newspapers fault for players not trying to play to their full potential and the manager making poor decisions!!!

Not having a beer is a reason for poor performances!!! What about the simple fact that they need to grow up and take on responsibility.

Blaming anything else other than the players attitude and lack of professionalism along with poor management is missing the point completely.

yiddo1882, agree completely. This discussion has moved from blaming Capello, to blaming the players, now blaming the tabloids. Here is the truth: WE WEREN'T GOOD ENOUGH. Tiredness? Young Mueller played 52 games last season and still averaged more than 8 kms a game coverage in this competition. The AVERAGE pass completion rate for the German players was 80%, with Mertesacker managing 86%. The ONLY English player to hit 80% completion was John Terry. Our captain and supposed best player, Steven Gerrard, had 250 passes in four games. His completion rate was a mere 64%. That's coming from the star man! What it means is he gave the ball away more than once every three times he had it...NINETY times. Until the English game slows down. long enough for players to master the simple arts of trapping a ball and passing it to a team mate, we are sunk as a serious footballing force (are you reading this, Gareth Barry, you plank?)

leave Ledley alone. If he gets us into the group stages of chumps league, he can drink all the beer he wants as far as i'm concerned. I'm glad I don't have to work under you lot, you bitter self rightous gits. Football was much better when the players spent there spare time drinking and betting: least I could afford to watch it.
The reason England were rubbish is down to all things people have said, not least the over hyped nationalist vision we have about our country. Lets face it, the empire is finished, we got a kicking in iraq, and are getting one in Afghanistan. This is modern Britain a place where the mediocre are payed disproportionately to the crap job they do: politicians, Bankers, Footballers, welcome to Murdochs Britain PLC. Lets see what happens to the premiership when this budget kicks in, and hardly anyone can afford to go or rent sky.

Sheikh, Yiddo, I agree that the players are not good enough. I heard a comment that Spain has 700 class A coaches, the majority of whom work with kids, while england has 200 all of whom work with professionals. This might go some way to explaining the skill level or lack of it.
I hate the tabloids and let my prejudice get the better of me at times but they are part of the problem. They build up expectations and then slaughter the players who fail to live up to the false hype.
The players were having a beer in a room in a hotel. They weren't out on the town living it up large. For all the tabs know they might have been having a few beers while discussing where it all went wrong and how to make sure it doesn't happen again.

You can t argue with any of these points, and there lies the problem. Everyone seems hell bent on placing the blame on one thing. When in reality it is so many problems. The team were shite full stop I agree, but why? something was wrong, because I tell you now if they were playing in their local derby matches or Champions league final they would have looked a completely different bunch of players. And don t give me that old rubbish there s too many jonnie foreigners now, its all about playing as a team. We had 11 individuals on the pitch. How can we say where was the passion and the motivation, when the papers would do anything for a bit of scandal. And lets be honest, half of what they say is bollocks anyhow. So much needs to be done to the whole English set up, but it wont. The FA will bury their heads and the blame will fall on just Capello s shoulders.

One of the possible solutions is for the U21's to be used the same way big PL clubs use the Carling Cup.

Select the best young players, didn't we win the U19 tournament this season, with a proven development coach as manager (inglethorpe at spurs for example, or Paul Hart who was responsible for Forest and Leeds youth policy) and work with these hoping they will be ready for the next WC, maybe even a few could be ready for the Euro's.

Anyway, the good thing is that boring, boring, Portugal, with its one world class player more than England, are out at the same stage...and the angst that we feel at going out in the round of 16 must be a hell of a lot greater in France and Italy...I wish the transfer rumours would start up againm so we can direct our masochism elsewhere. I am much more confident than I was yesterday that Capello will remain in the job and that Harry will keep HIS, unless his words to the listening media have spooked Mr Levy...roll on August!

I can't beleive you're wasting your time even talking about these losers! It's not a case of wheter they're good enough it wheter they care enough!! No doubt on the opening day of the new season Lampard will score, probably man of the match, Gerrard will score, Rooney will hit a hat trick. The clubs are they're life as they are the reason they have such wonderful lifestyles. Playing for England is a hinderance as it's time away from this lifestyle. It's the English culture and ethic. As reported today, Ashley Cole said he hates meeting up for England and hates they people involved......Enough said!

Post 150...Very true. Time to move on.

Is a player who smokes cigars ambitious enough?
Should Harry be sacked for offering his services to the FA?
Is someone who takes pics of his teammates in order to compromise them a worthy captain?

Discuss.

don't if true, but worth interesting reading anyway...
Courts held a further 2 week gagging order on Steve gerrards private life, turns out he got his wife's sister pregnant (not a 16 year old )
Will hit the newspaper in 14 days, the judge held the gagging order to protect FA while they decide on capello, and the future of English footy..
John terry and the England boys all know about it and JT had an argument with capello because gerrard got to keep the captains armband. the tension in the camp was down to JT and half the team saying gerrard was a disgrace and the other half of the squad backing gerrard..The press conference was related to the tension and JT wanted Gerrard exposed

Tell you what Spezza, if it's true it would explain the discontent within the England camp and the lack of cohesion. It amazes me though that Capello didn't strip Gerrard of the armband as he did with Terry, you can't expect people to be happy with one rule for one and another rule for others.

I heard the same thing from someone who knows John Terry.

Sounds like the usual internet rumour mill. Would be very surprised if any of it is true. Just as far fetched as the post on here about Rooney being caught with a prostitute in South Africa.

Oh I dunno. Rooney and the South African brass sounds far fetched due to the situation he was in (being with England at the World Cup with Capello) but the idea a footballer Fucked his wifes sister isn't just plauseable, it's damn well likely!

The trouble with the Gerard rumour is that an article I read says that his wife does not have a sister!

Which if true, just shows the rubbish that can be spread on the internet.

englands world cup is over so move on. the players will stop playing for england if the papers dont stop making their lifes hell. its one thing to get at the player himself but to start dragging his family into it. is it worth it for a player to play for his country?

Raver...would it be such a big deal if the current squad of players stopped playing for England?? Only Rooney would be missed and Ashley Cole has all but ended his England career.

Alex Curran does have a sister.. I f@cked her too!!

If Capello stripped Gerrard of the captaincy, he would have had to give a reason. If he didn't give a reason, the ragtops would go into overdrive with speculation.

According to reports today it seems to be a simple case of Terry trying to be the captain out there and doing things to undermine Gerrard, which led to a split in the camp.

John Terry - the biggest problem England had - anyone in the fa with any b@llocks should have told capello not to pick him!!!

Well it was Terry who came out and told the press there were issues that needed to be discussed. I thought then that the captain should be doing that, not the former captain. With all the power struggles and in-fighting it's no wonder Cashley Cole doesn't like going away with the national squad...I wouldn't imagine it's a nice atmosphere to be involved in.

GET A LIFE YOU SAD CNUTS

I see the reports this morning are linking, Van Der Vaart with a move to one of the top 4. THey say " The Daily Mail intimate that the Real Madrid player is likely to have his pick of a host of Premier League clubs, but Liverpool s failure to secure Champions League football last season could give Manchester United, Arsenal, Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur the edge."
Can someone point out how liverpool not qualifying for champs league give man city the edge? did they qualify also???? With the names city are buying at the moment why would you go to city?

to be honest yiddo1882, rooney should have been drop for game against germany. Capello did not have the balls to do it. anyway most of englands starting team will be gone before euros. might be better off without so called golden to@sers. 11 hard working players like germany. with rooney being the main man.

That'd be the brilliant research done by our friends at the Daily Mail.

I have been impressed by City's targets. Silva looks a class act and Yaya is one of the best DM's out there. James Milner may not be most skilful but what he brings is goals, workrate and aggression in midfield. I'd imagine that would leave Gareth Barry in trouble. He was piss poor for England but I have always liked him.

Raver, I think England suffered because once again they entered into a major competition with players unfit or out of form. The premier league is killing the national game but, from my perspective, I prefer the league anyway.

I agree the Premier League is letting the our national side down. Being the best, strongest league in the past decade means that we have had an influx of the best foreign talent which is great for the Prem but also limits the chances for emerging english talent. Also as a by product of this the more foreign players we take in the more room is left in the foreign leagues for thier home grown talent to progress. So therefore the I believe the stronger the top club league the weaker the national team!

I am split on the issue of foreign players in the EPL. I can see that it limits opportunities for young British players but then again if they are truly good enough the young players would force their way into the team.

Good young foreign players force their way into these teams!

It's difficult to force your way in to the team when you don't have the experiance. When a club has shelled out X miliions on a forign kid they're inclined to give him a few games regardless. Also there seems to be a common complaint that English/British kids cost more, particularly with wage demands. Considering what premier league footballers earn (and I'm not just talking about the big earners, I mean any of them compared to the likes of any of us) this can only be seen as greediness from the kids...and their agents!

It seems to me the English kids are more motived by money than football, so when the imported youth are making the most of their opportunities to play the English youth players are thinking about their next designer watch.

But the young foreign kids don't have the experience either. I am split, I can see both sides...but I still feel if you are good enough (including attitude, etc.) you will make it.

I agree if you are good enough you will make it! But the current ratios are not good. Because of the foreign players coming over here the available spaces at clubs is restricted. In Germany, Spain (Barca Real excluded)they are forced to fill their squads with home grown talent. When their best players move to the Prem it opens the door for more talent to come through plus also allowing their best players to get better in the best league "The Prem". Why are the South American nations producing vast numbers of world class players when their domestic leagues are poor? Because it is easy for youngsters to develop and then move to Europe!!

I guess that unless England were to really push to actually win a trophy in something no-one will really care.
fans money is spent on watching games in the english league and cup. If johnny foreigner plays for an engligh club - but their performance improves the game - who cares if it effects England???

The problem is the hype that 'certain' england players get and then - in competition - rarely live up to.

I don't mind the foreign imports into our game.
what i do mind in the same old no hopers being put in an england shirt.

The good old Metro had a decent 11 in it the other day with the likes of Hart, Cahil, Shawcross, Whiltshire, Johnson.
still had Rooney Walcott up top
but a decent side that we should now be seeing play for England.

Good youngsters do get through. The problem is that the kids in the english game are not being trained properly from a young age. From ages 5-13 they are playing on massive football pitches were the biggest, fastest kid is the best one. It's full of unqualified coaches in comparison to other countries. We are also affected by a culture that doesn't understand how to use flair players and most managers prefer a James Milner rather than a Joe Cole.

I think the oldest a kids team can play up to on a 7 a side pitch is 8 or 9.
Agree about the lack of core coaching and too many good intentioned but untrained parents running kids teams.

I once had a coach tell me that kids should not play matches before the age of 10. Should be involved in coaching sessions and small matches to ensure the basic techniques are honed.

Very True Alan! It is installed at a young age to be frightened on the ball. You here it all the time on Sunday mornings "Get it out" or "Get rid". We do not encourage confidence and being comfortable on the ball. It hink the saying "If in doubt, kick it out" sums it all up! I also agree that coaches and scouts look for physical attributes before natural ability, If your 6 ft plus and built like a tank then you are going to bully your way on a pitch hiding any skill deficiences. If your short then you mest be bloody quick! Take our Aaron Lennon for example, cannot cross (when was the last time he took a corner or takes free kicks?), he hasn't got technical skills, he rarely plays a clever killer ball, All he does is but the ball past his man and beat him for pace then hope he can deliver some sort of chance for a striker, 9 times out of 10 he fails. We need to be more creative will our coaches at youth level all the way up through accadamies to adult football if we truly want to get better on the international stage. I'm Spurs till I die but my Country comes first!!!

I have coached by boys team in Harlow since under 7's ...under 9's coming season. Having coached them without doing the FA coaching course for 2 years and now finally completing the level 1 course last month, there are things that I will now do differently. So, it seems the FA are starting to get things right, as they do focus on ball work and technique more...recommend it to all those budding coaches out there.

Good on ya Spezza. After many years of watching my son play football I would never want to be a coach of a team, though I have helped out a number of times. Twat parents and opposition managers screaming such lovelies as 'take him out' to 8 or 9 yr olds!!

A lot of it harkens back to playgroud football when a kid gets the ball and everyone chases it in a mob...kick and run I believe Beckenbauer refered to it as...or was that the England team?

i thought barry played his best football at Villa ,getting further up the park scoring and making more goals. At Citeh he looks like an dog on a chain.
We are now being linked with Zlatan Ibrohimovic, who for me , is shyte wouldnt take him on a free, his goals to chances ratio is shocking.
one more thing , he is shite.

nobby I think you've made your point clear!! ha ha ha
I wouldn't say I've watched enough of him to be sure. But in the odd CL game I've watched him play in he seems okay.

The reality is which forward would come to us??
Fabiano was talked about but I can't see it myself.

Zlatan does score the occasional Roy of the Rovers cracker but misses so many.
Fabiano I really rate him but doubt he will come. I like the Ghanian Cenre forward( scored the winner against the USA) , Honda from Japan looks quality.
Proven CL goalscorers are going to cost a mint and possibly undo the wage structure/balance of the dressing room. Fortunately the qualfying stages of the CL occur before the transfer window is done. I expect Levy to wait until then if we are going to get a superstar in, that isnt Cole.
I really hope this season we blood some of our youngsters and that some of them make it I feel it is so important that the acedamy is linked to the first team via success, it draws talented youngsters in, saves a fortune, and (hopefully) generates a little more loyalty than usual.

With any luck an extended European campain will mean the youth get a run of Carling Cup games.

Apparently Arsenal have joined us in abandoning reserve team football. Harry the revolutionary!

spurs transfer links have not been bad this year, world cup seems to take attention off transfer rumours. when is the draw for champ league game?

According to the standard we are targeting Kjaer, Cole and Richards and whilst I like all three, I am hoping Harry will get cover for a goalkeeper and a top striker as a priority to those mentioned.

if he gets kjaer and richards i think that would say woodgate is retiring. def need striker instead of keane.

The reports say we are taking Stipe Pletikosa on loan. The one we meant to take last season before he injured himself.

I think Pletikosa is a good keeper but I would have liked to have seen us go for a youngster (like Lewis, or Loach or someone), even if we loaned him out for the season, as didn't Cudicini sign a new contract so we have experienced cover for Gomes.
I think Ibrahimivic would be an amazing signing, in the 1st half of last season he was Barca's outstanding forward, he holds the ball up well and is very skilful, but I expect that if he does leave Barca he will be well out of our price range.

Well Harry is safe at Spurs for 2 years anyway. FA just announce Capello is staying.

He was always gonna stay, (He says with a false smile on his face" I Listened to the interview he did on talksport and he said he wanted it after crapello anyway in 4 years time.

Capello stays, Harry stays!
I know Harry has his doubters amoungst the WHL faithful (though our recent top 4 finish has swayed some) there are still a fair few who don't believe he's the right man for the 'next level', but having Harry at the club for the upcoming season will provide continued stability and hopefuly more success.

IMHO Redsnapps is one of the best signs Spurs have ever done. But regardless wether he is the manager to akes us to the next level or not, over the coming seasons he will make us a consistenlty solid team. He has the knack of getting the best out of players. And its what we need at the club. Lets not run before we can walk

agree with you gray man about not getting carried away. if spurs manage top 4 next year again it would be brillant even top 6 would be good. anyway we cannot keep changing managers, harry has done great job so far. he is also great entertainment for us spurs fans when it comes to the transfer market

My expectation next season is that we are challenging for fourth. If we do a Villa and finish 6th but battled for fourth till May, I don't think we can ask for much more. City are buying some great players, Liverpool will probably be better under Hogdson and Arsenal are a much better than they look on paper (as they prove year after year). Everton and Villa are always consistent. It's going to be a tough year. What I would like to see us do is get one big name player off the back of this CL achievement. It's already got us keeping our best players which is great but I'd also like to see an established big name to give everyone belief.

You may be right Alan..but it is a long distant shout, given we havent signed or sold anyone yet.
the prince looks the nuts tonight v Uruguay

why oh why did we get rid so soon of the prince...what would his value be now if we have him still on our books...typical spurs...didnt pompey buy him outright?....ah well....felt sorry for ghana...they didnt deserve that! For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever BELIEVETH IN HIM, should NOT perish, but HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE!!John 3v16 (most important decision anyone can make - please be sure to make the right one this side of eternity!) For there is ONE mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus...God is not willing that any should perish but all should come to faith in Jesus Christ the Only saviour of the world...For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God...there is not one righteous - no not one. For the wages of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is Eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. COYS!!

Have we sold Jenas yet?

mk yid SOLD jenas .. love your optimim mk. how do the germans do it...oh yeah they are professional footballers who take pride in playing for their country,

You hope and pray for a world class player, you get Craig Bellamy. Life is tough when you are a Spud hahaha.

That's what you get when you let Hotspur Jim do the hoping and praying and Harry do the wealin' and dealin'.

COWS!

Koscielny and Chamkh. Don't need to say much more.

Never seen a more efficent team than the Germans. Everything they do with or without the ball is effective. It has a purpose. Very intelligent movement and use of the ball. The manager must be very good.

BVW Hoping and praying, sounds pretty much like Arsene with 10 games to go.
Is Van Persie crocked BVW ? He cant seem to play more than a couple of games without being injured.

He wouldn't be the first unreliable white Van man in England would he? :P

Van Persie -> semi-final, Fabregas -> semi-final, Spud player -> oh wait...

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/World-Cup-Senior-England-players-were-unhappy-about-Fabio-Capello-s-strenuous-training-sessions-the-day-before-Germany-game-article512981.html

I bet this 'unnamed England star' was a Spud.

To many (five) average players, that's what's wrong with the English team.

Average, a benchmark Theo aspires to reach.

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