Stage set for thriller with Villa

I wonder if harry is tempted to play Kaboul in a joint CM holding role along side Wilson. Two holding players like Kaboul and Wilson together is a game plan harry is looking to use. It would show how a spurs 5 in midfield could operate.

I would always play King if he is fit enough.

I'm bored even thinking about playing Villa. Boring boring Villa !!

My nerves are shredded when that stupid ref Mariner was allowing Leeds to maul Defoe and Crouch my blood boiled over and i snapped you robbing flew out of my mouth like one of Lennons runs.The dog run for cover the Wife not a sympathetic bone in her body Said thats it when i tried to tell her its offside and it was not a corner she said enough , So to save the neighbor's any more ranting.I said get me the dogs lead this always works of we went round the block and i text my wifes nephew a manx but a good lad i told him to ring me if we score .By this time my heart was pounding and stomach churning Totte my dog is taking on every dog that passes and he is a mini yorkie even the dog his named after Tottenham.Cant wait for ian so ring my daughter and beg her to get the score she has lost her controls and cant see the score but she thinks Defoe has scored and i said he scored in the first half it must be still 1-1 she said they are all singing my heart sank we must be getting beat okay and then i hung up.Near the end of my walk the mobile goes its Ian well i said did we get beat he said braes your self,Ian had to do is xfacter pause the he said you won 3-1 and Defoe scored a hat rick.It was like being stuck in a lift for hour then Rescued

Sorry but the words boring Villa doesn't ring right for me. Although i'm diehard spurs fan, I love all football and Villa are up there with the best. I bet they give us a hell of a game on Saturday.

Boring?? Craig, did you not see our semi-final at Villa Park against Blackburn? Silly spud. UTV

when i think of villa i think of the story about the emperor's new clothes. what surprises me is that old wenger (washes mouth out with soap!) is the only one astute enough to point out that he's not wearing any!

good article!
I think the key to the game is how long villa can hold out for
If we don't concede for the first 65 mins or so I can see Villa nicking a goal, and then Spurs will attack, so we score another! Simples!
This game could easily go both ways and I can't be bothered to predict a score
Although I will say I think Spurs will win because Redknapp seems to have some sort of a gypsy curse on villa, we just can't beat a Redknapp team.

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I say if spurs take the leads then it will be a good game.I dred to say if villa take the lead then they will defend with their lives as we saw in the reverse fixture.I'm being optimistic 3-1 to spurs.

Come on Brian, you get results but you play a god awful boring brand of football....one that creeps in to our game far to much at the moment too. See I can be honest about my team. The saving grace with us is we have some players that play some sexy football at times. So mixed up with the bullsh1t long ball football to Crouch we play some of the best football you'll see every weekend. You don't. Your game in the semi final 2nd leg was a decent game to watch, there were 2 legs though and the 1st was not. You play a boring brand of football Brian. It's effective but it's rubbish to watch. It's not even long passes, it's just booted long for Agbonlahor to chase. Whats the betting you sit back for 90 minutes tomorrow while we play all the football and you look to hit us on the break with a long ball over the top for Agbonlahor to chase? Or alternatively you may look dangerous from set pieces. Beautiful free flowing football though? No chance. Like I said, boring boring Villa. It's efffective but football is about more that just winning.....

" Football is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom"

Craig, do you realise the irony of the crap you just spouted?! Now that was boring!! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You must have loved it then Brian.

Gonna love to see the stats and the end of this game, Spurs love to attack, Villa love to defend. I can see us camped out in their half fo the bulk of the game. Posession stats somewhere in the region of 85% against 15%?

The Villa fans will be walking round with hard ons if it goes that way MK. They love watching their team defend.

If i'm honest I think Villa will probably win this one on the break. We'll lose but the real loser will be football.

I agree totally with Craig. Villa are so boring. It's not so much a long ball strategy but they set out to nullify the opposition rather than compete with them. Just look at our game against them in Villa. They set out to kill the game. The only reason the blackburn game was high scoring was that they went two nil down and had to go against every fibre of their beings and actually try to create something. It must be an offence under the Trade Discription act for calling themselves a football team.

I don't want to get into the boring argument, except to say that if I was A Villa fan I wouldn't find it boring. what can't be denied is that they defend in depth and break out with pace, they work hard and have muscle. Any team that can stop the goons from scoring is playing well. I was suprised how quickly they sat back at their place, partly our determination partly their tactics, and how much we dominated the game. Yet, we still didn't win it. I don't think they'll surrender the initiative so easily on Sat. I might be tempted to play Defoe on his own up front and go for five in midfield, to try and give our defence cover. However, I can't even manage my bank account. I'm worried that Bassong will be pushed around by agbonhoweveryouspellhisname, and that we lose momentum if we struggling to create chances, which we probably will do. I have a feeling were going to lose this one. Yet, yet, maybe Modric will play out of his skin, Thudd will find his shooting boots, and defoe will be in the right place at the right time. 5-0 Spurs. COYS

Villa fan but some sympathy with Brian's comments. It's not true that we lump the ball up to Gabby but most of our threat is on the wings and if the opposition shuts that down we don't have much else up front to offer.

Having said that though Brian it's not our "fault" that we have a bloody good defence and the team works so damn hard - if Spurs had had the same qualities over the years you might have achieved a bit more too.

Sorry I meant Craig!

Thanks for the correction AVMark. For a very short time, I was noticing horrible traits in myself. I was becoming deluded, irrational and obnoxious, just like a true spud. Then I returned to reality and realised we have the European Cup in our trophy cabinet. I think these spuds are missing the point. Villa build from a solid base and hit with quick counter-attacking football. Man U have won countless titles playing that way. All you Spurs fans will see a different Villa from the one earlier in the season. I predict a 2-3 away win.

Mark you have a great defence because that's the way you play. If we defended in numbers we'd have a tighter defence (actually maybe not knowing us). Our defence suffers yet going forward we look very dangerous all the time because of the mentality of our team. Both teams frustrate their fans with their inadequacies (ours defensively and your going forward) yet we do get treated some proper entertaining football. I've honestly not seen much of that from Villa in the games i've seen but I don't watch them week in week out.

Forest have 2 of those Brian but they don't have much else in the last 100 years....just like yourselves.

i love it how some people on here call us boring!!! if us being boring means we beat liverpool at anfield, man u at old trafford and chelsea at home....i'll take being boring everyday of the week.

its funny how people call us winning cause i bet all you spud fans.......if chelsea, man u, arsenal or liverpool won 10 straight games 1-0 playing boring football....you said its a sign of a great team who can win when not playing well.......but if its the villa....then were just plain boring!!!

i'm a big fan of how spurs play football and you are great to watch.....but i think saying the villa are boring is taking it a bit too far. villa over the last 2-3 season have been one of the most exciting teams to watch in the premier league.

Jimbo, can you say you played lovely entertaining football in those wins? You didn't. Thats the point i'm making. I'm not denying you're a good side that wins plenty of games. I'm just saying that I find it boring to watch. When Spurs play sh1t football, even if we've won, i'm the first to say I wasn't happy with the way we played. If Villa fans don't care how they win as long as they get results thats great for you.

craig, i can't see how you can say that we didn't play 'lovely entertaining football' in those games when you have already admitted on this site that you don't watch us week in week out, if thats the case...then your in no position to comment on if were boring or not.

football is a results business, not based on how well you play. just like when you came to villa park, you dominated the game, played well but only came away with a point. wouldn't you rather had played 'boring football' and come away with a win?????

Chelsea 4 Villa 4, Villa 6 Blackburn 4, Spurs 4 Villa 4, Derby 0 Villa 6, Liverpool 1 Villa 3, Arsenal 0 Villa 2, Man U 0 Villa 1, Villa 2 Chelsea 0. Just some of the boring villa games in the last 2 seasons.

I saw those game because they were on tele Jim. They're the games you highlighted and in each one I thought the better team got beat. We came to your place and hammered you off the park. It was a joke 2nd half performance from a home side. We missed the chance to win bu that happens. After the game I was very happy to have seen a great Spurs performance despite the result. I didn't want the game to end because I was enjoying it so much. I bet you couldn't wait for the final whistle though? I'd rather watch a team that entertains me through playing good football. Winning is great but not at any cost. I wouldn't want to watch a boring Tottenham team. Football to me is about more than just winning. It seems like that's why we have a difference of opinion.

Bloody hell Brian, 8 out of 76 league games you've enjoyed. You really are treated up there at VP.

i'm a spurs fan but i have to agree with jimbo villa man, football is all about results not pretty football. if spurs won the league winning GAMES ONE NIL then i as a spurs fan would not mind. and if villa had any sense they should sit back and defend just like stoke, hull and wolves did. and please just because Kaboul is back dont start this crap of saying he should play as def mid. centre back for Kaboul only. we have all seen what has happening to spurs players when their played out of position against top teams this year.

Raver that's not what the debate is. The debate is whether Villa are boring not whether you would acceot boring football if it meant you would win. I think Spurs fans are pretty split on what's more important. For me it's style over substance (within reason) but thats not the case for all Spurs fans, yourself included.

what does 'football is more than just winning' actually mean!!???? theres nothing more important in the game of football than WINNING!!! winning is everything!!! i'm pretty sure if you asked harry if he would like to play boring football but win 90% of his games he would snap your hand off!! any manager would.

so basically what your saying is, as long as you play 'lovely entertaining football' you don't care about the result??

Craig, do you think gooners cared about the 'boring boring Arsenal' tag under George Graham when they were winning trophies? Believe me, I can remember plenty of boring, non-entity Spurs' teams in my time. Your presence in the top of of the prem since its inception has been the exception, not the rule. And that, my friend, is boring.

Oh, and I selected those 8 games because of the quality of the majority of the opposition.

Jimbo it costs a fcuking fortune to go and watch these games so I want to be entertained by my team. Of course I want us to win but I want us to win playing good football. If we were winning games playing sh1t football we'd all be moaning about it one here....as we have done a few times this season. The winning would be great but we'd demanding better football from our team. Villa fans just accept. You're happy with what you get. Which is lucky seeing as you have MON in charge of you. This season we're pretty even in the league (both pretty average teams in the great scheme of things). At Spurs we achieve our mediocrity in a prett entertaining way. At Villa you achieve yours playing sh1t anti football.

Brian it seems that now you're admitting that Villa are boring but you don't care so long as you win. So we agree finally. Villa are boring but you're happy.

Stop it Craig. I think even your fellow deluded Spud mates are getting embarrassed about your shit patter.

Y'see this is the mentality of many Spurs fans that other fans just can't get their heads around. We (most of us) do prefer to watch good football rather than sit through dire wins. It's not enough that we just succeed...we want to do it in style!

craig.....'sh1t anti football'!!!! which planet are you living on!!!!!! we've finished above you in the league the last two seasons running (finishing 6th both times) were 2 points behind you (with a game in hand) and were going to wembley....you don't do that playing 'sh1t anti football'!!!!

MKYid........for you to succeed in style.....you first need to succeed.

oh I dunno Jimbo...the Goons had some success under Graham playing sh1t football.

MKYid...how can you call winning trophies anti fottball?? if you won the league with 1-0 wins... i don't think i'd hear many spurs fans moaning about the 'anti football' they played.....do you???

Jimbo why don't you understand what we're saying. Why is it so hard for you to grasp? I've seen some sh1t Spurs games over the years where we've snatched wins. Do you think i've enjoyed watching them for 90 minutes though? I want/demand that my team entertained me. If it was just about the result at the end of the day I wouldn't pay the rip off prices we charge to go and watch them. I'd sit at home at put teletext on at 5 o clock on a Saturday. Do you think you might fill Villa Park up every week if your team treated you to some great football?

Yes Jimbo, I do think there would be lots of Spurs fans moaning about the style of football if we won the league with 1-0 wins...we demand more. You need to try and get your head round this one...

we've average over 40,000 at villa park last season and this season so far. the differnce with us is that we fill villa park regardless of the level of football, not moan when we don't play well and win!

your right tho when you can't see why i can't understand your point. what i'm trying to say is, is that if you think the villa are boring and you play this 'amazing football' then maybe you should take a leaf out of our book, seeing as we've finished higher in the league than you the last two season.

it's all about where you finish in the league, not how you get there.

MKYid.....your talking rubbish. your saying you rather play well and finish top 6 then play boring football and win the league?? maybe it's this mentality that has held you back for so long.

"the differnce with us is that we fill villa park regardless of the level of football, not moan when we don't play well and win!"


Jimbo, you don't have to always write facts on forums but it helps if you're in a debate. Your average attendance this season is 37,753. Your capacity is 42,640. Maybe a little bit of entertaining football would put more bums on seats.

So Jimbo, you'd rather finish 6th (twice) playing boring football than finish 6th playing enjoyable football?...because that's what's happening. And lets be honest, buying the sort of limited player MON buys and playing the way he sends his teams out to play you're never going to actually achieve anything unless you get a lot of luck with cup draws (like this season).

"it's all about where you finish in the league, not how you get there"

That's where spurs fans and villa fans differ Jimbo. If you're happy with that good luck to you Jimbo. Just don't get offended when people criticise your team for being boring.

craig.....your average attendance this seaosn is 35,769!!!??? check your facts first sunshine.

Jim, please stop embarrassing yourself. Now look up our capacity. Then maybe do some research in to the ST waiting list at WHL. Then, if you have time, have a look at the plans for the new stadium that we have to build to supply the demand for tickets. Idiot.

Actually, i'll help you because i'm not sure you're clever enough to do the research. Our capacity is 36,244. So that means on average a massive 475 (away fans) are missing from WHL on a match day. While am at it, ST waiting list sits at over 20k.....sunshine.

craig, plans don't mean anything. the fact is your average attendance is lower than ours... so don't give it the biggun saying that if we played good football we'd put more bums on seats when we have more fans watch our games than yours. idiot.

Jimbo, CG never said we get a higher average attendance, that'd be difficut with a smaller staduim. The point was, you don't get an average of over 40,000...and that is because Villa games are infinitely more interesting when viewed on teletext.

MYYid...if you want to get all technical. to get an accurate view on an average attendance you should do it over a full season. 2008/09 season we average 39,812....

the best thing about Villa is Randy Lerner. When you look at all the other bullsht Septics buying clubs by borrowing against the club they own to pay for it, and then bleeding the club dry, you have got a gem there.
I like the red brick front of Villa Park as well.
Take out your wingers , not easy, and i think you will struggle.
i hope it is a good game but I have strong doubts.

Still under 40k then Jimbo. You're not helping yourself, unless you're trying to prove you're a bit of a moron.

I don't know why Villa are so precious about this debate. You play a solid back four two out and out wingers and a big man little man combo up front (only similarity with spurs). Your focus is on flat back four, set pieces, goals through crosses and long ball to Gabby. It's text-book traditional english football and it's successful but entertaining, by in large, it is not. You don't see many intricate traingles in your play. Will it get you into the top 4? Everton got there playing the same way and your in a cup final so you can win things playing that way. Gloat in the statistics that Villa don't tend to fail as spectacularly as Spurs. However, ask most Spurs fans and we wouldn't have O'Neil managing our club because he doesn't play a brand of football that justifies our ticket prices.

you succeeded in that department about half an hour go when you said you wouldn't be happy if you won the league playing boring football!!

maybe we should just leave the talking on the pitch. maybe we'll both be winners, we'll play boring football and snatch a 1-0 win but you'll be happy cause you will have played entertaining football and thats all thats matters really isn't craig!?

Chelsea got rid of Mourinho because of the brand of football they were playing, they were winning everything but there fans and owner were bored. I suppose to arm chair fans and ones who only follow there team on match of the day (not saying your one of them jimbo) prefer results to performance but the true fan pays there money to be entertained.

It depends on whether you're there I suppose Jimbo.

All games I want us to win, if possible I'd like us to win them by five or six clear goals, then I wouldn't feel so wrung out after most Spurs matches. Spurs are inconsistant, consistancy is boring, yet I'd give anything for a bit of consistancy. Liverpool in the 80's were to be admired, personally they bored the pants off me. Everyone reckons the Goons play the best football in the universe, but they haven't won anything in over 5 years, now which Yid tires of telling that to a Goon. Villa will be hard to break down, we will be frustrated, but we have to work as hard as them, if we do that then we will have won the right to play our football, then we will deserve to win.Boring, depends on which colour scarf you wearing. Having said that, Arsenal under Graham were boring, objective fact.

here you go then Jimbo, the fairest way of doing it...
Spurs average attendnce 98.7% of capacity
Villa average attendance 93.05% of capacity

ACS I would get bored with that. Nothing like sneaking a win when we dont deserve it. Getting the winner in the last minute.I love to have the drama, the lager, the insanity of it.
That said would i take series of one nils for fourth spot, yep, but thats more about my age projected earnings and being completely selfish.

I would have to see Villa's attendance stats when they play teams in the lower half.

The attendance seems to go up every time UTDs, Chelseas, Arsenals and SPURS come into town. That says to me that they are their to watch the home side play.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_England

http://www.aboutaball.co.uk/aboutaball-historical-football-rankings/historical-ranking-of-english-football-clubs

Check out the 'major honours' list

i've been a season ticket holder since i was 10, i'm now twenty five. i go to every home and away game. i'm all for wanting more from my team, to strive to play better football. every team does that, but i disagree when people say villa play boring football. bolton play boring football.

i see where your coming from about the chelsea and mourinho saga, but if my club had spent 100's of millions of pounds, i also would expect a high level of football. be where nowehere near chelsea in money spent and high earners so that doesn't really apply to the villa.

i want the villa to play great football every week and win well. but i wouldn't moan if we wern't playing well but still winning.

Haha Brain you're great grandfather wasn't even born when Villa won many of those honours. If you take any pleasure in those stats then you certainly are an armchair teletext fan.

alan.....doesn't matter how long ago the honours were won..it's part of the clubs history. liverpool keep banging on about 20 league titles....but they haven't won one for about 20 years.

I think it matters when you're attempting to use it in a debate about which football team to watch on Saturday. I mean come on - there isn't any video or even photographic evidence of some of those honours.

I agree with Jimbo about the history although history that was created while a lot of teams were either not professional yet or in their infancy is a little hollow. They did to all that in the 1800s though and you can't take that away from them.

theres plenty of photographic evidence i can send you of the 1982 european cup we won.

on another note, you must be having a debate with just yourself if your debating who to watch on staurday. it's pretty difficult when were playing each other /

Funny I was reading things like
Most goals in one half: 5 Jermain Defoe (for Tottenham Hotspur v. Wigan Athletic, 22 November 2009)
Fastest goal: 10.2 seconds, Ledley King (for Tottenham Hotspur v. Bradford City, 9 December 2000)
Longest range goal: Paul Robinson 88 metres (96 yd) (direct free kick), Tottenham Hotspur v Watford (7 March 2007)
Longest Additional Time: 11 minutes 2 seconds Stoke City against Tottenham Hotspur 19 October 2008.

I think we play better football than Villa. we have better footballing players in our team to do that. MON first tactic is to stop the oppostiton playing football rather than asking his team to play. However I wouldn't say they are overly boring.
But defending deep and hitting Agbonlahor over the head of Bale will be a common factor on Saturday.
and Dunne's long passes to Heskey (...which will hopefully not be matched with Daws long passes to Crouch!)

After all this banter I still see and 'entertaining' game ahead

In the last 100 years Villa have had 2 great season. You were born just to late though Jim. Nevermind. One day, after you've gotten rid of that dinosaur MON and you've strived to better yourselves playing football the right way and signing players that are capable of getting you to the top. When you show some real ambition. Then, maybe then, you will have photographs of glorious days that you've taken yourself.

craig....at least we agree on one thing! anyway craig i'm off, but it's been good having this debate...i go on a few sites like this and it can tend to get a but nasty but it's nice to have a bit of lighthearted banter between passionate fans.

enjoy the game, i'm sure it'll be a cracker and all the best for the season. it would be nice if one of us could grab that 4th spot cause having man u, chelsea, arsenal and liverpool occupy the top 4 yet again.......now that really is boring!

Very sad Jimbo. Grow up. On (a) Saturday. Next you'll be saying some times we don't play on Saturday.

Jimbo, it's Citys to throw away now I think, and if they do I think it will be Liverpool who take their place back in the top 4. In my opinion, with the players we have, we're under achieving. You're over-achieving due to the great work ethic and organisation you have. At the moment though neither team is good enough to break in to the top 4. Ours should be though.

4th is there to play for...for us, Pool, Villa and ManC. thats entertaining!

It certainly beats a mid-table finish!

Looking at the fixtures I think us and City have very difficult games in April. Villa, in my opinion, will tire like they have in the past two seasons. I wouldn't rule out Everton as they get players back but my tip is Liverpool because of their experience which importance was shown when we played them at Anfield. Without playing well they are still just a point behind us and if they can get Torres and Gerard on the pitch I can see them going on a good run.

Were we not linked to this guy before he signed for Shakhtar?

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5919472,00.html

Villa fan. I agree that Spurs play a more attractive brand of football BUT think you have spent big bucks getting there over the last ten years or so - MON has only had three years to bring "football" back to VP and we are certainly getting there. We are not "long ball" but we are certainly more direct than yourselves.

I think your back 4 doesn't look as strong without Woodgate or King and that you miss the pace of Lennon. You will also see a different team from the first game with Milner in CM and Downing on the wing.

Hoping for a cracker and a Villa win. Expecting a 1-1 draw.

I hope it is one of us that breaks the big 4 and not Citeh or Everton. I think we can both do it. Good luck for the rest of the season and a, hopefully, 5th placed finish behind Villa in 4th!

I don't think Villa are exclusively long-ball. It's traditional English football which probably has a lot of headed goals then anything else. Barry, without being disrespectful, MON could have 20 years in charge and the type of football won't improve. You don't need money to play good football (although you may need to play good winning football). It's O'Neil's style. He believes in it like Wenger belives in his.

Whatever team that gets fourth this year has to brave enough in the transfer market in the summer to spend big in order to represent England properly. That's what the current top 4 do most seasons and that is what Everton and Blackburn failed to do.

I think Spurs calling themselves a big club when they've only won 2 titles is boring. And hilarious.

However, lets forget trophy count as that is heavily on Villa's side. Based on points gained since the football leagues inception, Villa are easily 4th. And before you bleat, if you take the prem years only, we are 5th behind the sky four. That is consistency. But according to Spuds, probably boring.

And I travel home and away Adam, and have done since 1985. I look forward to leaving your dump on sat with 3 points in the bag.

In terms of number of trophies I think you'll find we edge it Brian....and all but 2 of ours have been won since the second world war. Anyway, this isn't a my dads bigger than your dad debate. Your dad is fat and talks with a funny accent that makes him sound thick.

Craig, major trophies please. Not tinpot charity shields or southern amateur champions. Major trophies League, FA Cup, League Cup, Euro Cup, Euro Super Cup, UEFA Cup or the defunct Cup Winners Cup.

And grow up with the insults you twat. The North London accent isn't particularly pleasing to the ear.

WHL is a dump and a nightmare get to but once you are there you are treated to good football that generally recognises that the game is called FOOTball. You've been watching Villa exclusively for way too long that you have lost all sense of what entertainment actually is. 20 years of finishing 5th or 6th. Lovely. Give them a medal.

Boring villa!! kranc ripped the shite out of them last time and harry took him off, up until modrics return kranc was our best player over the last couple of months even grabbing a few goals, now with modrics return and kranc being dropped we have lost what we had and im not sure modric could do to villa what kranc had done???

Craig - Half the stuff you are saying is bollox and you're just saying it to wind the Villains up. Here's a re-action for you! I bet you are fat, ugly and have a small bellend.

And Brian I severely doubt that the championship was a major trophy when Villa were winning it the 1890's and early 1900's. The league was made up of universities and tradesmen looking to get together on a Saturday for an organised kickabout. Don't embarrass yourself by latching on to some glories no Villa fan, let alone you, is alive to remember.

All this trophy stuff is moving too far away from the original debate anyway to make it worthwhile to continue. It maybe Friday and I hate my employers but this is just taking the piss!

If it's a choice between Modric and Kranjcar for Saturday, then we must play Niko. He's equally as skillful as Modders, more physical and he is in top form......he must play! Modric aint found his feet since his injury, he will in time though. Peks

Harry's got a bit of a selection headache with Kranjcar and Modric. Kranjcar played well against Villa last time and was excellent against leeds but Modric is well rested and played very well against Fulham and Birmingham. He may decide to play both as with no reserve team football all this game time must be a shock to Bentley's system

if harry leaves bentley out it will kill the lads confidence and with lennon looking like being out for longer for me this would be a crazy mistake!! then again it wouldnt be a shock if harry did.

look here are the facts, villa are a glorified wimbledon, according to a lot of managers and press, and martin o neil got annoyed by this, just admit youre the new wimbledon, and you kill games, to get results, set pieces, long balls, break away football, and tottenham fans would never accept your negative football, its supposed to be ENTERTAINMENT, ffs.
villa are boring to watch to everyone, except villa fans, but this brand of football will not work well in european football, theyve got used to playing negative english sides, and will beat them, so its pointless villa trying to get into the champions league, because they wont get anywhere.
coys

WINNING IS EVERYTHING. anyway men back to the game less of the play ground fighting. its a must win game for spurs, its a 3 pointer at the right end of the table.

Equally it could destroy his confidence playing him. He hasn't played three competitive games in row in over a year, so to then play them within a space of 8-9 days is a risk. Alot of course will depend on how he is holding up in training but say if he has a below par game against Villa, all those doubters will say 'he only performed well against a League 1 side'. His credit with the spurs fans is fragile at the moment. If he's fully fit he plays, no doubt but I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't. Afterall, what do the likes of Bale, Pav and Bentley do when they are the fringes? No reserves and I have only ever heard of about 2-3 especially arranged friendlies on the website.

I dont think thats right Alan?? at the moment he is performing so play him if that performance drop's then change it but you cant say what if!!

did you hear that chelsea got their transfer ban lifted, what a surprise eh.

Villa Brian you go to every away game ,that must be lonely.the difference between you and us is that you have a rake of fair weather fans than Villa. fckn gobby at that.

My view is that managers should take a pro-active rather than a reactive approach to guard against fatigue. I said this about Palacios at the start of the season where he played all the time and until a few games ago seemed very well below bar. Fitness and form are closely linked and if fitness levels are low form drops and confidence suffers as a result. Once in that position it takes longer for a player to recover form as they feel they are not being rested but dropped. AC Milan are club who spend lots of time on assessing player fatigue and it gets longetivity out of players and consistently high performance levels. It's just my view on it and a lot continental managers do it but not so much in the PL.

Playing both won't work..and didn't last time we tried it. We need at least one natural winger on the pitch or it'll be very easy for Villa to flood the middle of the park and kill the game. Bentley has to play even if he is a bit knackered. Mind you he's done fcuk all for the last year so he should be able to handle 3 games in a week.

3 out of 3 Peckham well done...not as unique as you thought you were are you.

For me modric is lacking fitness and form and should be left out!! before modrics return kranc was our form player and bentley has done enough to earn atleast the next game so for me those two get the nod.

It's a tough decision both Modric and Krancjar are playing great. It might be worth playing Krancjar behind Defoe. I don't think Crouch will get much change out of their defence. Dunne is weak if you keep it on the deck when and run at him.

I think Harry will start with Crouch and then bring on Gudjohnsen or Kranjcar for that reason Perry Man. Modders will start ahead of Kranjcar as he was rested against Leeds.

shirt pulling only seems to get you a penalty if you are an attacker running into the box. Crouch's shirt was being tugged all over the place during set pieces at Elland Rd. Could well get a penalty(or own goal) out of Dunne.Perhaps Bale could specifically run at Dunne at some point during the game that has got confusion, terror, mistake written all over it.

Quick question...IF we come fourth this season, and qualify for the CL - what happens next? However you look at it, I'm pretty sure we end up in the Europa nonsense, and possibly very quickly.

if we come 4th Levy and Co will going out for drinks on a motor yacht with Howard Webb, Clattenberg and the Head of Sky Football.

Very true Nobby, the longer Bale keeps villa in their half the better as he up against Young has got confusion, terror and mistake written all over him too!

Simon, I think our record against the top 4 shows that our squad is not ready to do well in the competition. However, not many clubs enter the CL and immediately succeed. It took UTD and Arsenal an awfully long time to get to grips with it. IF we do qualify, like a div 1 team coming into the prem, we'll need to invest and probably spend a few seasons yo-yoing (spl).

So it will pretty much be the biggest anti-climax ever.

Thank god that boring boring discussion is over. I'd drop Crouch, he'is not strong enough to trouble there defence. Drop Modric at our own peril, he will find space and time in a congested area, more thasn cranky will. Part of me hopes he'll play Bently just to shut up his appologists. Who'll moan about him when we lose.

Kranky

last season young played left wing and took zokora to bits before harry brought on corluka??

or was that the season before??

That was last season at Villa Park. Young has been off form this season but since the cup semi has shown signs of returning to form.

Good news on Lennon, apparently he is nearing fitness.

Alan, the League was professional from 1888, you dipshit. We'd know cos it was our idea. If you don't know what i'm talking about, google William McGregor. The problem with you spuds is that the rest of the league have a minute history in comparison to Villa, and Everton. Proper clubs, with proper tradition. And I would argue winning the league when it was a more competitive league due to financial parity, was more of an achievement than winning the league by buying it (Chelsea, Man United, Blackburn to name a few).

You're so fcuking sad it's unreal mate. Why don't you try and organise a team of 1900's get together to celebrate past glories...oh shit, you'd need a shovel. Tottenham have been in existence for over 125 years you idiot. Now fcuk off back to your site.

Oh and by the way I know about William McGregor after you unveiled his statue on the day spurs showed you how to play football at Villa Park.

Oh damn, is that me returning back to subject you keep side-stepping?

ironiclly it was our 125th anniversary game when we played Villa.

It's a game they'd rather forget MK. It seems that to be a Villa supportor you need have excellent knowledge of ancient history but struggle recall the recent past. To call Villa a proper club, defining that by not buying success is outragous. Villa are currently backed by an American who has invested heavily. They were second only to City in spending this summer. And if you want to call Everton a proper club by the very fact that they are skint then I would much rather by placed in the other catergory, which I think we'll call ambitious.

By the way, Alan who is Gary Cook?

Chief exec of Man City, the mad one from Nike. He used the term a 'downward trajectory in results' as the rationale for sacking Hughes.

In footballing speak, I think it meant poor form!

Apparently Terry has been dropped as England captain. Who'd you replace him with? The doper, the scouse thug or the angry shrek?

ah...I just found an old Wiki entry for him, it's quite funny:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title Garry_Cook_%28CEO%29 oldid 333139069

Sorry MK, all I'm seeing is gamma-rays and passion fruit?

hmmm try the link on this page..
http://www.redcafe.net/f6/gary-cooks-wikipedia-page-279985/

villa are the brummie west ham!

Haha - yep that sums him up! To say he's not a football man is an understatement I feel.

Sorry I should have wrote Garry (not Gary) Cook

David Bentley for England captain?

VillaBrian, how can you say were not a proper club, you dipstick. What's your definition of a proper club? I personally thought most of the 'banter' today a bit purile. But that takes the biscuit. The only club that isn't proper, out of the whole 4 divisions, is Milton Keyne Dons. You and us both have a history to be proud of, you won the European Cup, fair play. We were the first club to win the double this century and the first British club to win a European trophy,blah blah,blah. But that doesn't make us a proper club and Leyton Orient a non proper club. I can see you probably come from Erdington, a place with a small gene pool.

Erdington, makes Tottenham look like Beverly Hills.

Did I say small, I meant weak

Bentley could be next England captain....he's ment to be the next David Beckham anyway.

If Erdlington makes Tottenham look like Beverly Hills, Erdlington must just be wasteland and a hut.

Worst than that

Are Man City the only team that can stop Liverpool getting the 4th spot!!!!!!! COYS please prove me wrong!!!

Well at least i have put i bok on Man City 2-0 down to Hull at the moment

What can you say - we were the far better team - just didn't put the ball in the net - i like crouch but maybe time to try something different for a few games Harry!!!!!! COYS

We're just too damn predictable with Crouch. This was set up perfectly for Gudjohnsen to come on, show some proper football and get that vital goal. Yet, despite it not working for 90 minutes Harry decided not to bother changing it, which is very frustrating.

how frustrating was that!! villa boring villa set out for draw...it so boring and flipping cant believe it we battered them..ruined my saturday evening now, away to get a honey chile chicken from the chinese and not watching motd now...harry needs to show some and change the game when quite clearly if we havent scored by 80 mins we could at least try somehting different...set up perf for gudjonson and we didnt use him...no plan b for teams who park bus...very annoyed...but credit spurs they played blinders and it wasnt to be...John 3v16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but HAVE e v e r l a s t i n g life. (not my words - Gods word) COYS!!

villa were boring as were hull and wolves. i do not understand why kranjcer(for modric) and gudjohnson( for crouch) were not brought on.
I have to assume the head on the bag is a short term manager because to me he seemed asleep as the game progessed.

fck of jim dont you know we have just fakt up, again.

Kranjcar should have got pitch time.

Harry's a CUUUUUNT!

I think there was great variability in our play especially in the first half but as Modric tired we got poorer and I would have liked Kranjcar to replace him at some point. Ironically we were getting some joy hitting the long ball into crouch towards the end. Funny no Villa fans on here. They were so poor. No shoot really for Gomes to save.

The thing that concerns me most is that opposition teams are making WHL their fortress, and the 3 stooges havent got a clue how to unlock a game. Painful.

Thats because we are boring!! as a partnership defoe and crouch have never been prolific and never will?? its like watching a training ground practice bit like the teddy old corner routine great when it comes of but how often did it work?? crouch wins nearly every ball but thats because he is allowed to! two strikers sitting in a back four one to challenge crouch and and 3 to challenge the knock down for defoe and when defoe does get in hes still got to beat the goalie.Its BORING football and so predictable. Harry's problem is he is stubborn and set in his way's and hasnt got a clue how to use the bench!! maybe we should change this site to PUNT and HOPE........ is harry Bagpuss??

wert spot on.

Harry had every intention of playing Defoe and Couch from the seasons off. Obviously he had to give Keane a few starts as Keane was the captain and the more established player at Spurs. A few games in and Keane and Defoe are banging in goals, undetered Harry starting introducing Crouch and eventually ended up starting with his prefered little man, big man partnership....at which point the goals started to dry up, but hey, Harry has his favorites playing and that's all that matters.

This is going to be boring. Nineteen teams will come to WHL once a season. We will have nineteen games at home. If teams choose not to play and settle for an away point (or the occassional win) we appear tactically inept.Of the teams that that come to play,generally the Top 4 we struggle against bar Liverpool. It is hard to understand that by playing narrow and one upfront, bar set pieces, Aston Villa were able to undo any attempt by us to win.
It is not on Mr Redknapp given the above,not to use the bench. I hope we arent keeping you up.

I just looked a few stats...considering Crouch is supposed to be providing all the knock-downs for Defoe it's kind of shocking to realise he has only 5 assists for the season....especially considering the never present Bentley has 6! Obviously, Lennon has the most with 10 but it just goes to show we score more when the ball is played in directly for Defoe rather than for Crouch to knock down for Defoe!!

Personally I think this season has been best I have had in terms of value for money for my season ticket. We spent most of the last 48 hours arguing with Villa fans about the fact we play entertaining football but now we are calling ourselves boring? It takes two teams to take part in a truly entertaining football match but on countless occasions this year we have been the only ones trying. On how many occasions have we peppered the opposition goal with over 20-30 shots in a single game. I completely agree that we are struggling tactically to break teams down but so did Liverpool and Villa last season. We are in transition and if King or Defoe has put away their sitters or we got that pen it'd be 1-0. So we are not far off. I'd be much more worried if we weren't creating chances but MK you just listed a positive IMO. One player with 10 assists, another with 5 and another who rarely plays with 5. Not bad! I'd still much rather be a tottenham fan then Villa and we are playing some of the most entertaining football in this league.

You cant argue with facts! when we played at the start of the season without crouch we scored more goals because every build up was a different passage of play bit more variety if you like and the teams couldnt handle it but now with Crouch in the team there is usualy only one passege of play and that's the punt!! the teams have worked us out now and to me this is boring boring football and it aint the spurs way.

Alan, you've missed the point, the man I listed with the fewset assists is (as per our game plan) supposed to be providing most of the assists. The stats just go to highlight that our game plan isn't working! I agree it's good news that we're still creating chances but considering we put most of those chances straight at the keeper (who is then credited with playing a blinder) we need to be creating more chances...or at very least vary how we create those chances because it seems to me we score more when we don't use Crouch for the flick-on.

The thing is at the start of the season we played West Ham, Hull, Liverpool and Birmingham. They made Keane look good! It's worth mentioning that Crouch changed the Birmingham game otherwise that would have gone like many of the games you guys are moaning about.

Stats can work in anyone's favour. The other day some idiot used Defoe's scoring record against the top 4 as means to call him a poor goalscorer, 20 goals in Feb! Yesterday we came up against the meanest defence in the league who can boast shut outs against the best footballing sides in this league (Arsenal and Man Utd). Not scoring against them is no disgrace.

In the first half of that game I saw some delightful football from the home side (with Crouch on the field). I would take offence to anyone that calls us boring. By what standards? Barcelona? Second half it wasn't very good by the first half standards. I put that down to Modric tiring and should have been replaced by Kranjcar.

We have kept 5 clean sheets in the last 5 prem sides at WHL. All of which we have totally dominated. Teams shite themselves coming here as oppose to seasons before where they felt they could bully us and get victory.

Crouch is one option and why not use it? Arsenal fans criticise their team for trying to pass it in sometimes. We certainly do not exclusively use him do we?

when a team become's predictable then in my eyes they are boring team's have worked us out! we as fan's know that we over use the crouch punt and harry himself is reliant on it hence why he is reluctant to use his subs.

Appreciate what you're saying but we're using our least effective form of attack to attack the most miserly defence in the prem. The most annoying part of it is, despite it failing to work we didn't change our gameplan. We have the players to change it from what we were doing to instead trying to use creativity and guile but we didn't. I wouldn't call us boring but we are fast becoming predictable in the final third.

I thought we played well yesterday but we came up against a team with no intention to try and win the game. At times boring boring Villa had 11 men behind the ball and no player in our half. When faced with that it's always going to force a ball on to Crouch's head. We mixed it up quite well yesterday, just as we did at Villa Park but without a bit of luck we were always going to struggle ti score. Villa played for a draw (again) and it worked. It wasn't pretty though and it justified everything I was saying about them alst week. It's no coincidence they have the best defence in the league and their goals for record is laughable for a team in the top 7.

Playing like Villa did is a learned experience. If you want a point off Spurs at WHL sit back sit off Crouch pick up his flick ons , regain possession. We did play well in parts, but with 20/30 to go other players shouldve come on to play in a way Villa might find less easy to cope with. What is the motto of our club ?

"We mixed it up quite well yesterday".

We don't agree often Granty but that's my sentiments exactly. Great variability in our play I thought especially in the first half. The thing is the long ball to Crouch when it did happen surprisingly brought about our best chances so why not use it occasionally. I refute the suggestion it was plan A because clearly we played some great stuff. Before and after each game I visit the opposition fans forums just to see their perspective and I promise you before the game Villa fans were hoping for a draw and after it they were delighted with it. It's like they Hull City! They bloody play like it. Harry may lack tactical awareness but at least he signs players with more footballing brains then he has. I.E Gudjohnsen, Modric, Kranjcar etc whereas O'Neil brings on one oath for another (Carew for Heskey) and Steve Sidwell is their playmaker! As I said, MUCH MUCH rather be a Tottenham fan then a Villa fan or in fact any of our top 4 rivals. I fancy pool to get it (4th) but we are developing faster than the rest of them I feel. City are a self destruct ready to happen, Pool have no money, O'Neil has no style.

The one major gripe I had was Modric's effectiveness lessened in the second half and Kranjcar could have continued it. I don't agree so much with Crouch off for Gudjohnsen as I say because our good chances came from the long ball towards the end.

This is the level of inquest going at our rivals.

http://www.thevillablog.co.uk/aston-villa-blog/avfc-news/aston-villa-remain-seventh-after-drawing-with-spurs/

I haven't bothered looking at City's but you can only imagine how they are feeling losing to Hull.

Liverpool of course are probably happy but this season is hardly one to proud of!

"Harry may lack tactical awareness but at least he signs players with more footballing brains then he has. I.E Gudjohnsen, Modric, Kranjcar etc" Shame only 1 of those 3 managed to get on the pitch. Kranjcar for Mods should have happened, Modric was tired (and Kranjcar scores more goals). What about Gudjohnsen for Hudd for the last 10 minutes? Throw everything at them, ok it's a risk but if it payed off it would have been worth it. As much as I back Harry I do think he bottled making a big decision yesterday. To dare is to do!

Bloody hell Alan, that can't have been easy, you actually found a Villa website where some of their own actually post honestly about what they have to watch week in week out. Good work.

See Brum won again today.bought on the experienced older Kevin Phillips to see off Wolves..mmmmmm

The thing about mixing it up well and playing with diversity is that it counts for nothing if it fades away in the last third. kranjcer couldve played as a striker. Gudjohnson would have been something completely unknown. I predicted this game would be dull. Redknapps mission seems to be to convince us that Crouch is a class player.He is a goosd player if used correctly coming deeper ball to feet knocking back to the midfield. I doubt any stats exist for completed headed passes. Just as well for the stubborn fck Redknapp.

In Harrys programme notes yesterday he said that he thinks Younnes Kaboul can still get in to the French WC Squad. How exactly is that going to happen??

Brian, you there??

10 Craig Grant (192.158.34.21) 2010-02-05 07:51:44
Come on Brian, you get results but you play a god awful boring brand of football....one that creeps in to our game far to much at the moment too. See I can be honest about my team. The saving grace with us is we have some players that play some sexy football at times. So mixed up with the bullsh1t long ball football to Crouch we play some of the best football you'll see every weekend. You don't. Your game in the semi final 2nd leg was a decent game to watch, there were 2 legs though and the 1st was not. You play a boring brand of football Brian. It's effective but it's rubbish to watch. It's not even long passes, it's just booted long for Agbonlahor to chase. Whats the betting you sit back for 90 minutes tomorrow while we play all the football and you look to hit us on the break with a long ball over the top for Agbonlahor to chase? Or alternatively you may look dangerous from set pieces. Beautiful free flowing football though? No chance. Like I said, boring boring Villa. It's efffective but football is about more that just winning.....

" Football is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom"

you can bet if united,chelsea and arsenal were playing at home and with 10 mins to go they would throw on that extra attacking player to get the win 0.0 at home to them is no good why is it for us? Arsenal game against west ham finished 2.2 but look at the arsenal team that finished that game.

They drew 0-0 at home with Villa too Wert. It's not that we didn't have chances. As much as we wanted to win the game (and we were the only team playing that were trying to) we couldn't afford to give Villa what they wanted, a break away goal. It was a difficuly balance for Harry. Where I think he got it wrong was by not freshening things up like for like but there was no need to go gung-ho because that could have really backfired.

MK I agree that he should have brought on Kranjcar and that would have continued where Modric left off in the first half. I wouldn't argue with you about that. I just take exception to the notion that we were predictable or solely long ball. Listening to the qoutes from Villa players and their supporters that this was their best defensive display tells me my beer at the game didn't cloud my judgement that we were very multi-dimensional yesterday. It honestly was a joy to watch and you have to give a manager credit for creating it. Crouch was very much part of that and it for me it was good demonstration of how to use Crouch or any target man in fact.

It's very easy to sit here after the fact and say if we had another striker on we would have won it but right up until the last minute we looked like winning the game. In the last five minutes alone we created three good goalscoring opportunities. It didn't need drastic changes like changing a midfielder for a striker. To dare is to do but I don't dare to jump the tracks at a train and I never consider it as lost opportunity to get to work quicker!

Fcuking hell Granty, we are agreeing a bit too much here.

Let me try something...Martin Jol is the best manager we have ever had...discuss?

I thought everyone played well again yesterday, including Bently. Trouble id he has no pace, he can't get behind defenders, and he is not as good as Beckham, most of his crosses, were played to the edge of the penalty area, even if you win the header, you wouldn't have the power to beat their keeper. When Lennon plays, we get behind defences, and then defenders lose their position. Bale did it brilliantly yesterday, chasing lost cause as well, he was unlucky. Oh we should have had a nailed on penalty. Are we a better team than Villa, yes and no, twice now we have dominated them, but twice we haven't beaten them. We're not boring, but we are only as good as our squad, thing is Wert you wern't good enough to make it at any level in the game, which is why you spout off on websites, if you had you might be worth listening to.

Actually Alan, you've raised something quite interesting there. I would say Harry has taken us, in his short time at the club, to the heights Jol had us at. Personally I much prefer to watch Harrys team that I did Martins. I wasn't a Jol fan it may shock you to hear. I didn't particularly like the football we played under him most of the time. Harrys gets us playing much better and with 2 plans...something Jol lacked. So, which Tottenham to people prefer? Harrys or Martins?

The problem is that how much of it was Martin's team and how much was Comolli? How well would Harry do with one hand tied behind his back? Not as well I tend to think.

However, purely looking at the teams you have to say Harrys. Defensively we are so much stronger. Away from home we get results and generally hold our own. We don't have carrick and berba but we are easier on the hair line and the heart! Even Harry is so relaxed he falls asleep during games. Louise Redknapp must lay awake and night just checking if Jamie's skin is still tort on his face, otherwise she's in for a shocker later in life!

My idea in bringing on Gudjohnsen for Hudd would have involved Eidur playing in the midfield, more of an attackiing mid rather than a 3rd striker. It annoys me because Harry lauded Gudjohnson as an intelligent creative player yet didn't bring him on in a game where a moment of intelligence/creativity could have made all the difference.

He only joined the other day.

And scored with his first touch in a friendly. It doesn't stop him coming on for 10 minutes though.

geeting lennon back now is the key to our fourth spot-without him look how many goals we have scored and the ratio has dropped dramatically per game.
i think our defence is sorted is now about scoring goals

Craig that is a tricky question. Jol had the luxury of the berbatov keane partnership and carrick. We are as good until the opposition box. Crouch cannot finish with his feet as well as either an on form Keane or Berbatov.
For me your question simply highlights the Crouch debate. We dont score as many goals as our chances suggest we should.Did we hoof the ball up the park as much under Jol, I seem to remember Robinson booting the ball up the park alot.
Redknapp should have pushed for the win yesterday using other players. Jol using other players sometimes denied us victory in very important games.It seemed exciting under Jol because our expectations were less, particularly in his first season.

Craig! arsenal drew 0.0 at villa and won 3 nil at home! thats the difference between us and being a real potential top four team you have to be able to say lets go for it???

How was on the bench saturday ?

alan i totally agree with you, we are one of the most entertaining teams in the premiership, and we are nearly there, taking that big step up to the big 4 status, but we are feared by the opposition, and they wont come out to play, because they know we will tear them to pieces, we have to find the remedy to this situation, and we will, harrys going to take us to glory, hes a great manager, and you people who doubt him, dont realise we are going to do it with harry, top 4 and trophys, as i see it, crouch is a super sub , no more, and gudjohnsen should be up front with defoe, someone to feed off, and work with, crouch is alright, but he is limited, he doesnt move his feet quick enough, to do things with the ball,hes awkward, and gets so many fouls called against him, and his goal scoring and link up technical play is not there, if we want top 4, and to unlock tight defences, its not with players like crouch, we sold him once, maybe we should do it again, because he wouldnt want to be used only as a sub, but im afraid thats all he is, he doesnt fit the spurs style.

and when we do get our forward line firing on all cylinders, we will be a formidable team, because we play good attacking football, but the cutting edge isnt there yet, but it will be, it will be.

unfortunately Cobra I believe Harry considers Crouch to be the right partner for Defoe. As much as I'd like to see a more technical player up front with Jermain I can't see Harry doing it.

Harry gave Keane every chance to prove he was the best partner for Defoe but he wasn't up to it. Crouch and Defoe make a good partnership but it's not perfect. I think Gudjohnsen will be given a chance as sub initially and personally I can see him being ideal for Defoe. Saturday wasn't the time to bring on a guy who hasn't had much game time. The game against Villa was fine balancing act as that's what Villa do. They bore you to death and when you start throwing everything at it they pick you off. Harry will use Gudjohnsen otherwise he wouldn't have bothered signing him. He would have targetted Kevin Davies or Heskey instead as a like for like replacement for Crouch.

We just keep blowing these games. In both games against Villa we should have won. we should have beaten Hull, Stoke Wolves at home. We should have won at everton. thats 14 points thrown away!! Just think We would be fighting for the title now instead of 4th place. You watch the gooners get turned over on wednesday.

Well we could debate all day whether Gudjohnsen could have changed the game or not, but ultimately we'll never know. It's all down to whether you're inclined to take the risk. Personally I have only ever regretted the things I didn't do rather than the things I did.

To dare is to do. doing nothing at home against Villa in agame we dominated is not bold enough. Fine balancing act my arse.didnt have the nuts to change it. Redknapp is dreaming of 6th, job done.

Time to put this one to bed methinks. Alan, how about a 'bring on Wolves' article. )

Haha - I am on it! I was thinking 'Spurs dancing with Wolves?'

To dare is to do Wolves. That'd be nice.

Sounds good!

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