In Harry we Trust

Couldn't say it better myself.

Brilliant article, 100% agree.

Fantastic Article!! Sense of proportion obviously needed!!

"Name a player that any team inside of the top 4 (and Manchester City) would come asking for"

Palacios and Defoe

Fight, Fight, Fight, Fight!
You know Alan will now stat you to death jester?

About time an article like this appeared. The anti-Harry brigade are increasingly getting on my tits. Remember the days of Austin and Edinburgh, Sinton and Dozzell. Being happy with 12th place. Now people are saying Harry out because we're not scoring 4,5 or 9 against everyone. Bit of context needed I think.

Gomes might be a shout also. he is really improving.
aside to that a good article.

I would question why Harry isn't off his chair more when we are looking poor. Or when we are just smashing it up to Crouch. I would be expecting my manager to get us playing football
Is it time to play Palacios Modric in the middle? at least we would try and pass through him!

Push and Run is want we want to see. Punt and Flick is unfortunately what we have had the last few weeks and its not working. We dont need to change the manager just this over used tactic

btw - I agree that too many are liable to jump on the 'Insert Managers name here' bandwagon but after a great start Harry seems unable to take us on that extra bit to be able to beat teams that set out to frustrate us and bully us.
Missing 1 player at certain times should not result in shambolic, embarrassing displays from a squad he deemed enough to challenge/qualify for CL.
I'm definitely not saying get rid of him but maybe he needs a word in the ear, like some of the players, to refocus.

Harry Out!!!

... only joking. It's nice to hear the voice of reason, can't say I've seen it on any of the Blog sites for quite some time. I, for one recall the days of sitting in the Paxton Road end with my head in my hands after Dean 'least talented player in the history of the beautiful game' Austin got skinned by any average left winger on offer.

Perspective, patience, and most of all remember the bad times. Bacause all this 'Harry Out' crap will bring them back faster than you can say: 'When did we last beat the scum in a meaningful match?'

Explain the use of Crouch and the long ball MJ. It doesnt work. Its obvious it doesnt work. Yes we probably do need to give a manager time but wether it is Redknapp is debatable, and debate I assume is the purpose of this site.
Redknapp stinks of 'His way or No way'.Granted Top 4 would have been improbable but welcome this season, however the football we have been served up has been,too often ,shite.
While some of our players maybe Top 4 rejects it does not render them incapable of unlocking workmanlike sides.
Personally I do not rate Corluka, Huddlestone or Crouch.
Most importantly I think the standard of football has gone backwards this season, and while some bleet on about Lennon I bleet on about Crouch, and the hoof up the park.
Speculation about who may end up where is no more than wank.
The simple facts are we have been poor for 4 of the last 5 games, beating Leeds being the exception. We have been lucky in some games.
if the arguement features in part our Top 4 rejects what does it say about Redknapp who has achieved what with who.
Another FA cup win fantastic but with a 58,000 seater stadium being planned what we do next is crucial and for me the way forward is not being lit up by Harry Redknapp , Peter Crouch and co.

not only since redknap took over spurs but for a long time have i said redknap is not a good manager, he only gets known players that can perform for a short period and this is due to the fact that he is generaly playing about with clubs fighting to stay in the division, This article is crap i read every word and for me it is not written by somone that knows tottenham hotspur just an armchair supporter.
I have been to every home and away game for 27yrs and i have never known more them a manager or questioned a manager, but when it comes to redknap you are left holding your head, the game at wolves was the worst game i have seen in ten years and the manager failed to even try and change things, the game on sunday al he did was change modders for crank still left crouch on why not bring pav on, crouch was doing nothing - spurs fans look at the game look at your team, dont belive the crap in this article redknap must go hopfully he will be found guilty of fuard and we will be forced to the manager!!

IN LEVY WE MUST TRUST

COYS

Sending out 2 Right-Backs on loan and then playing our 5th choice Centre-Back there are the actions of a crazy man. Simple as.

well done, at last a sensible spurs fan. We are a top 6 team NOT top 4, we have been this since 1961. A top six team with the odd cup run, anyone banging on about top 4 is an idiot, anyone who wants harry out is an idiot. Sadly we seem to have more than most.

Harry Out!!! all he is and has ever been is a long ball up to crouch southhampton, portsmouth nd now spurs. He done his job and kept us up now please go back nd save portsmouth.

What a ridiculous, fact ignoring article. Mate, you really need to wake up and smell the coffee

Its Joe Jordan who should go
who the heck does he think he is standing there 'most' games shouting at the players while Harry, Kevin Bond Clive Allen sit in there comfy chairs.
The man is clearly off his head

Very well said.

Its also good to see that a number of supporters are beginning to realise that Huddlestone is NOT the ideal partner in central midfield for Palacios. Huddlestone and Jenas are vastly overrated in my opinion.

Why is Sir Donkey Les our striking coach!! I understand Sherwood because he is Jamie's business partner and 'arry like to look after 'his own'. The team keep missing chances and yet no one asks what the f Dame Les is doing!!

arry redknap hater - your a muppet, its people like you that are the reason we haven't made progress over the years. "the worst game i have seen in ten years" are you having a f ing laugh!?!?! We finished 14th 03/04. I can remember many games in that season that were far worse. Open your eyes you tw@t!

Don't you just love it (sarcasm) when you get someone who writes an article, telling everyone what is right and wrong, as if said person has any more idea than the next person. Many Spurs fans I'm sure hold onto hope that Redknapp is the man to take us forward. Many however, believe that he's a below than average tactician who served his purpose when saving us from the unthinkable. That is his speciality. Saving shit teams from relegation. Hardly a C.V that threatens the dizzy heights of the CL is it?! His continual purchases of former players, ex players of his own and players from lower teams doesn't inspire many of us. He has not shown a tactical nous when required, seems to be content sitting emotionless on the bench in hope that divine intervention shall save him. Then we have his annoying ways of commenting on everything under the sun, usually nothing to do with him, but nevertheless making himself and our club look rather embarassing. Personally I'd love to wrap him up in a giant 'brown envelope' and dump him at the M3 service station on route to Pompey.......his true love!! This is my opinion.....so thank you for allowing me to express it, just like you do Ed.

SheffSpur...So a supporter is the reason why the club has not made progress? I am sure the manager(s) should take some responsibiity!! And you have the nerve to insult other people!

I guess its nice that some are not content with sitting in the European places at this stage of the season. They clearly think we are a better tea than 6th. I'm not sure we are. IMO we lack consistency.

perhaps we should go back to the start of last season. some of the comments appear to have taken a year plus to get posted!!!

COYS!!

How bout a bit of both, that is respect the gist of this excellent and extremly well written article. Still, since Harry, as you say, is not perfect, there must be room for some gripes. Mine is that he seems to have favorites and players he dislikes. This means that he does not manage the capital our playing staff represents in a way that optimizes their value to club (on the field that is, what it does to their sell-on value concerns me less). Players are not static sets of properties, they can have qualities coaxed and coached out of them. Performance is not just the result of inate qualities, its also a function them being given proper roles, a bit of loving and confidence and patience. Concersly players can be reduced to much less than their potential by a manager who for some (and in some cases not comprehensible) reason does not rate them. The treatment Hutton, Bent, Pav and Gio (and until recently Bale) have been subjected to does not represent the best possible management of our capital on the playing side in my opinion. This worries me. Particularly when I think of the young players we have who should be coming through. I understand that Harry needs instant results, but still a more fair, slightly more far-sighted manager would have done more to take care of a larger proportion of our playing staff.

On the subject of 'arry saving us from relegation...he inherited a squad of international players, only 9pts from safety (catching teams like WBA is easier than the likes of Manure and the Cahvs), 30 games to do this, and a chairman who spent 50m in the Jan transfer window. Hardly messiah stuff!!

Yid1882 - I'm sorry did I say him specifically.....don't think I did. We have had enough manager changes over the years, which got us nowhere. Do you not think it might be time to give one a chance?! You have to give a manager at least three full seasons to make an impact. Then you assess the situation and whether sufficient progress has been made. We're not getting relegated, we are in a comfortable position, mere points from a CL place, still in the FA Cup. Suggesting harry should go is a MASSIVE over-reaction. One that any level-headed person would throw out as shear insanity.

Yid1882 - Manager changes every couple of years get you know where and win you nothing!! You have to give the guy a chance not jump up and down at every defeat/poor performance - Look at Ferguson Manure kept faith with him and they win things every season.

SheffSpur...re-read your post. On the subject of sticking by a manager I do happen to agree with, where we differ is that I believe it has to be the RIGHT manager and imo Redknapp is not that man. There seems to be an emperors new clothes syndrome with Redknapp where people cannot see the truth about him. My opinions on Redknapp have not been based on the last few games but on his very first match in charge. I do not have a problem if we do not finish top 4 if I can see progress and a future being developed for the club, which I don't. However, I don't think he should be sacked until we have someone lined up and sadly there are not too many candidates at present.

Archie...we should keep faith in the right person, not just for the sake of it. Anyway, keeping faith in a manager is not a 100% proven formula. Each situation has to be judged on its individual merits.

An excellent point and well written.

Not you midnightjester, but Ron Burgundy.

The misplaced loyalty shown towards Redknapp is admirable but little more than misguided.

He did what he does best picked a downtrodden bunch of mentally weak footballers up off the floor and saved us from relegation. Well done Mr Redknapp, we're all much obliged.

The skills required for next year's job will change, 'arry doesn't possess these skills. It's been staring us in the face. We've taken 6 points from the last 6 games at a time when our rivals are starting to find consistency at last. The opportunity has gone, and so has our need to have Redknapp as manager.

Levy should be tapping up a replacement as you read this. It isn't the constant change in managers that is the problem, it's constantly choosing poorly that is.

While i agree that changing the manager isnt always the way forward and stability is definitely needed, there's no point keeping the wrong guy on just because you want some continuity!
Not saying that Redknapp should go, just that keeping the wrong guy can be a lot worse for a club than changing every few seasons.

Ron and Robert...Both excellently said.

I see that Bale has revealed that Spurs hardly practise penalties. Another example of Redknapp's professionalism and winning mentality. After the CC final Redknapp also admitted this saying that pen practise does not help as you can freeze on the day. Well, Fergie revealed that not only do ALL the players practise pens but Foster had even done his homework on how the SPurs players take theres. That is one of the differences between top 4 and top 6...professionalism!!

Did I call Harry leaving out Modric stupid? Did he even leave out Modric for me to call it stupid?

I have also never questioned Harry's future but reserve the right to question his performance on a game by game basis. Like I would with any player.

You articulate your points excellently but singling out individual posters on here in an article is poor form especially when not factually correct.

his homework couldn't have taken him long on us!

and I loved Joe Jordans comments on Thudd. something like 'in practice he smacks them'. thats alright then.

Pens are a real problem as the one's who can take them don't play. Eidur and Pav are very good apparently.

yid1882 - I said "its people like you" referring to all the people who jump on the <managers name here> out, bandwagon. You could be right in the sense that harry may not be the right man to get us where we need to be, but who is? The managers names which subsequently follow that question will not come to us. At least not until we break and consolidate a top 4 position. Which means we have to make do with what we can get for the time being and Harry Redknapp is far better than most other premier league managers, so why rush him out the door, when there is a very real possibility that he could deliver. Maybe not this season, but either the next or the following one with the right investment, there is no reason we couldn't be up there. I too have questioned some of his tactics, but without being a fly on the wall we will never know if there are other reasons behind his decisions. So I say give the guy a go for once, even if he doesn't play how we want (its not like we are playing ugly football all the time). Judge him on league position in 2 seasons time.

With cup games possibly going to pens ALL players should be practising them a couple of times a week. On a pen shootout wee need a min. of 5, not one or two!

I hear a lot of people say we need champion league players to get into the champions league im sure the same has to be said about a teams manager. If we leave out the top four managers in the prem (well who manage the so called big four) and compare Harry to closest rivals how does he compare? Is he as good as Martin Oneil? Mancini? Is Moyes better than him? Its all well and good having a squad capable of challenging for a top four position but without a manager of the same caliber its almost impossible.

SheffSpur...the trouble is the possible damage that can be caused by sticking by the right person. I genuinely do not see the qualities that other supporters see in Redknapp. We will never agree 100% on the managers decisions nbut when an experienced manager like Redknapp makes fundemental schoolboy mistakes in team selection, substitutions and tactics it is hard to believe he has survived so long. I think him taking over at Spurs has shown his lack of ability rather than prove je should have had a chance at a big club earlier.

I think every time Redknapp makes a sub, Joe Jordan kicks him in the balls, its the only reason I can think of for him to make so few.

You cannot harp on about continuity, using Ferguson as an example. If we applied this to Redknapp, he'd be nearing 90 by the time he was considering retirement.....Mind you, I don't reckon he'd be able to continue for that long for a more valid reason the floorboards in his house wouldn't be able to with-hold the pressure of keeping a further 16,945 stuffed brown envelopes at bay!!! If I were in Levy's position, I'd throw a rainbow (pot of gold etc) at Mourinho whilst the lions (Europe's elite teams) are resting.

Come summer 2012 I may agree with you yid1882. But until then I am going to be patient and promote stability. Something this club hasn't had in a very long time and could be the root cause of our problems over the past couple of decades. You don't become a top 4 team or top 4 manager over-night. Harry is no doubt learning from his experience this season (being his first full season at spurs) and its what he does this summer and next season, that will define his reign as spurs manager.

"If I were in Levy's position, I'd throw a rainbow (pot of gold etc) at Mourinho whilst the lions (Europe's elite teams) are resting." - And that is how you end up like leeds.

SheffSpur- It was a metaphor. So how do you suppose we progress then? Sit and wait whilst the market trader rustles up a few more hidden gems? Maybe we should all sit tight for ten years and become a template for pointless continuity. Why can't some people see the wood for the trees here? We've had more false dawns than an Australian alarm clock! Mourinho is a winner. If it means we have to join the elite in spending power to succeed then so be it. In this era, there seems no other way. Leeds were poorly run from the start. Ridsdale couldn't balance a book on his head! Levy has the business ethic, but needs a manager that matches his professionalism. Not a rogue!!!!!!

How fickle we are when things are not going 100%. The players need a good ass kickin and a wake up call. Why do we always let teams come at us and score before we wake up and smell the roses. Is it the air that has permeated around the lane for years, softies, easy team to unruffle. Harry has done well, however let us see a little more enthusiasm fro the line, bollickin players and shouting at them. A few cups broken in the dressing room and a few home truths been spoken. It is the players and the squad that cross the line and should start how they mean to finish, with strength belief and a of grit determination. oh by the way why did Hud take the pen, surely Kran would have buried it?

Id take Guus Hiddink he s available and wants to work in England.

We don't have the financial clout to just "join the elite spending power" Mourinho wouldn't have anymore money to spend than redknapp, which means we wouldn't be able to progress any quicker. There is no guarantees that Mourinho would deliver anymore than we are getting currently either. So you could jsut be setting yourself up for another false dawn. Why shouldn't we try something we haven't done yet and be patient? Because chopping and changing doesn't seemed to have work thus far, does it.

Harry still thinks were on a good run because we have only lost 1 in 14. Hudd took the pen because he was designated pen taker chosen by the manager ( a manager who admits we don t practice penalties). If things get any worse he could always go back to his favourite line we only had 2 points from 8 games when I got here yeah that will get everyone back on his side.

If the author of this article trusts Mr.Harry Redknapp,he must be even more gormless than his arguments suggest.

I have to admit that I'm surprised Defoe doesn't take penalties in training,as it is the only way in my opinion to make the taking thereof become second nature,and in theory this should then come into play when in a pressurised match situation.

Defoe is also very good friends with Ian Wright,who we are told phones Jermaine after every match,hence I would have thought he would have also made this observation to him as it is something he himself commented about on Talksport last year.

The Kyle things was funny harry loans out Hutton and one of the kyles realises he has not cover for RB recalls the other Kyle back from sheff with 5 minutes of the window left to spare.

i have been a rednapp fan until recently- the guy has shown a real lack of tactical thinking in recent games and seems scared of making substitutions in case it back fires on him, even the game cries out for a change (aston villa at home springs to mind recently). The way he sees this need to buy former pompey (and spurs) players is not really the way of a champions league aspiring manager is it? I was actaully happy when kaboul and defoe departed 1st time round!! How can keane go from being captain to being loaned out in such short space of time?!!! and dont get me started on the playing the left footed CB at RB (kaboul) situation!! and why does jenas even make the team bus? Are Defoe and crouch champion league level- ive never seen a striker offside as much as defoe and al he seems to want to do is lash the ball as hard as he can at the goal keeper!!! but we all know that he and crouch are rednapp signings and faveourites so will always play while the lieks of PAV and santos will never get a look in.

oh and for all those rednapp fans out there- do you really think we would out of rednapps choice seen Bale make this step up? if harry had of had his way then ekotto would still be left back and bale would be benched or sold to another club by now. what money on us signing joe cole this summer (another one of 'harrys boys') even though we dont fackin need him?!!

GUS HIDDINK anyone?!!!!

Seriously though, even though ive said what i have above i think Harry should be given another season to prove he can do it. At the end of the day, we are doing okay in the league and after hwo he saved us last year deserves another crack at it. One more season will show what direction we are going in.....anyone agreed?

Yid for life...On the subject of 'arry saving us from relegation...he inherited a squad of international players, only 9pts from safety (catching teams like WBA is easier than the likes of Manure and the Cahvs), 30 games to do this, and a chairman who spent 50m in the Jan transfer window. Hardly messiah stuff!!

I have rated Crouch until recently, I have come to realise that despite his shortcomings, it is the shortcomings of his team mates which make him look so much worse. I feel we play better football when Crouch does not start, converting that into goals is another matter.

ive said it for ages the football we play with crouch in the team is not the spurs way! we had some labble other players been lazy for the reasons behind the way we play what aload of bollocks we are plain fuuuking boring and thats down to harry.

So Harry has taken us as far as he can and isn't good enough to get us Champions League football...and we've determined that much in 2 half seasons. I think we should give him untill next season then sack him midway through an European tie...hey, why should we learn from our previous mistakes?

To be fair MK, it's not taken 2 half seasons....it's only really a few games this season. I'm not a Redknapp fan in the slightest, the results i can accept to a certain extent because we're not a top 4 club yet, it's the style of football that's getting my goat...BUT we have played some lovely stuff this season at times and i'm sure that will come back. Harry has earned the rest of this season and thoughts of sacking now are ridiculous. He has to prove he's learning from his mistakes, that's all we can ask. Talk of a top 4 manager is a bit silly. Who is a top 4 manager? How do we know? We have Redknapp and for the majority of his time with us he's done a fantastic job. We have to put faith in the fact he will learn from his mistakes and make fewer of them in the future but the alternative is just another period of transition. That said, if we're still lumping the ball forward at the start of next season REDKNAPP OUT !!

MK Yid. TBH MK I hope we fail to qualify for Europe if not as a Top 4 side and that is unlikely.european games in piss poor stadia are a great few days away but will, I fear, do little for the team. I cant help wondering if the lack of a reserve team has had a significant impact on team selection/options.
If Redknapp proves me wrong I will be the first to applaud him, but right now i just cannot see it.

Granty, do you remember earlier on in the season I said I feel Harry will never succeed at Tottenham as he would never be allowed to ride through a blip because fans expectations at this club effectively hold this club back. You were very much defensive of our great supporters but this exactly what I am talking about. The fact that a writer needs to come out in support of Harry's long term future is crazy. We are actually on target of our pre-season objective. As you quite rightly point out, we are not playing well but it'll come back. It's called a blip, bad form etc. Get rid of Harry and it's a long-term crisis.

I appreciate you can't see at the moment Nobby and that's your right but what I would say is doesn't Harry's record at spurs deserve some benefit of the doubt? We are not in the lower of the table in complete disarray. As the writer rightly states (who is he? and please write more) no manager is perfect and indeed all of them have suffered a bad season. Fergie's early days and 4 years ago even, Wenger and Benitez now. For me things are not nearly as bad as portrayed. What's more is that at spurs we have seen so much worse and experience so little better. What right do we have for instant glorly football with great results?

BAE was playing well, no one could justify dropping him for Bale. Bale has taken his chance, and good luck to the lad. Personally, I would play bale left wing, with Lennon right and Modric, Wilson in the centre. But what do I know.
I'd love us to go places with 'Arry, and unless there is some scandel, would not call for his head. However,against Bolton, we gave them the innitiative in the first ten minutes by constantly playing the ball long. Either that is a tactic in which case it must stop, or the player are panicking, in which case 'Arry needs to get a grip.

If we managed the final im not sure id want to watch it?? harry decided long ago that his prefered strikers were crouch and defoe it was just a matter of time when, i could see that way back with his substitute choices at the start of the season lets not forget harry had to introduce crouch slowly to the crowd firstly he had no reason to drop keane and secondly he knew the majority of fans wouldnt like his style of football, what harry wants he usually gets?? how many times has he come out in the pappers with he's a terrrific player im not sure we could get him? that first season back at portsmouth they were cruising for uefa cup football and at xmas he said if we are to push on we need to strengthen! harry didnt get the backing and then his team fell away harry was sulking! the next season harry got his way and they managed the f.a.cup and europe. look at the use of bale and bentley and pav and bent before that he has ritten them all off this season but because injuries has had to swallow a bit, what pisses me more than anything is the treatment of kranc? he was fuuucking flying for us and now with modric we have two average players at the moment.

Harry is in his sixties, what do people expect that he will hand our club onto his son.The football of late has been terrible.
I see very little being changed during games when the long ball is ou most potent but ineffective waepon.
The thing Redknapp does not have is time, partly because of his age but more pressing is the new stadium.
One thing agreed on is that the squad is short of Top 4 ability, while preferences vary about who should stay or go, I was shocked more money wasnt spent in Jan, O'Hara wasnt bought back as more appropriate support for Wilson.
For me the season started well and then teams worked out how to play us, yes lennon has been out but Bale has hit form, given that is it not up to the coaching staff to shake it up a bit.Plan B and C and so on would be nice.
With Spurs generally it just seems to be oh well. Perhaps the new stadium will fail to gain Planning Permission because of the football on the park rather than the architects community ethos.

I agree and disagree with so much written on this site. I am delighted that we have progressed since the '2 points' era, but frustrated at the same time. I question some of Harry's decisions. We kept 6? clean sheets, then he brings Led back and disrupts the team. Daws is not the same player with Led. Having said that about the defence, I dont rate Corluka. The 2 Kyles look good to me, surely a better option? Thudd doesn't contribute anything and as for JenASS!!!!! Crouch route 1 and if he could control the ball it would be a bonus. Give Pav a go, he is desperate to prove himself and knows where the net is. As for Harry I just dont know. He is a good, but not a top manager. We all crave success which is why we want it so quickly. Not sure that I would give Harry another season when Hiddink, a proven winner, is available. Inland Revenue may make the decision for Mr Levy in April. COYS

One other thing before the meds kick in..yes Ferguson, Wenger, Benitez make mistakes, but they demand 100% from their players. We do not, and Redknapp aside, that is unacceptable.

Rednapp is not the man that will take tottenham to the next level any person that has followed our team this year can see this.I hope that levy is working behind the scene to get rid why wait .we will end up worse off than portsmouth

and clearly Dean, you've followed Spurs this year.

Through reading the Daily Mail...

Looking at the league table, I think we are about where we should expect to be given our squad and time Harry has been in charge. Chelsea, UTD, Arsenal, Liverpool and City either have better players and/or more stability in management. If you offered me 6th before the season started I would have taken it and I'd be content with it now. It would represent good progress. Harry will then have another summer to tweak the squad. He may be too old to build a fergie like legacy but in reality when does a manager have time to do that? We don't even have the patience to let individual players grow in our side so you can forget a young manager learning his trade at tottenham.

whether crouch plays or not the majority of spurs fan's dont want to see the kind of football we have been seeing this season! if things dont change then harry will lose his job fact.

Harry should of been sacked after the Wolves game. Sacrificing our league position for a day out in May. Talk about 'small fry'. Hope Levy's got some one else lined up to get us back on track for a top 4 place. I believe we can still do it but don't feel Harry does.

Alan the plans for the stadium are there and thats it . They could be mothballed I suppose. Once the thing is built it has to be full for it all to come together.This isnt news is it. Finishing 6th is no bad thing as long as we drop the Europa Cup asap.
We have to push on for fourth while economics give us a very slight edge.Once other clubs re jig their finances times will be very different. That may take a while granted, but we still have to build a new stadium and full the thing while other clubs make their adjustments.Once ,if we move up to that level Alan is right patience to see players grow will be hard to find, but maybe better youngsters will come to Spurs.It is all abit bright and shiney but what choice does THFC PLC really have with or without Redknapp ?

given the start we had Alan i would expect us to be atleast 10 points clear of liverpool todate this season. At the start of the season i would never had thought it but last season i never expected to be bottom after 8 games?? you have to take your chance when you can and we havent and once again we will become a laughing stock but this year it wont be the last day shits.

Fair enough, getting people to back Harry as negativity is never good for any club fighting for a top four finish, but he makes the easy things look difficult. Silly formations in big games, for example the diamond vs Chelsea, and Keane on the left vs Man Utd? cost us dearly. He also leaves vital changes late in games which we need to win, and desperately need impact. Playing a ridiculous team vs Wolves has knocked us out of the frame and we'll struggle to get back into that top four spot. Nevertheless I am still completely behind Harry and hopefully he can turn this bad form around. I am not happy about Crouch too, we need a WORLD CLASS striker as "hoofing" up to him isn't helping our game, and Defoe struggles to score in big games vs top four clubs and centre halves, yet still manages to bully useless teams. We also really miss Lennon! COYS!

The current Spurs team are nothing more than 'flat pitch bullies' with an average manager. 'arry is a conman feeding drivel to weak minded supporters who believe it. The only reason he has been successful in football is that it is an industry that has nothing to do with reality. Football is made up of retards and people who though may be intelligent let their love of the club rule their logic. Would the same supporters back Redknapp if he was in any other business? Nope, they would see through him straight away, but as it is football the same people will delude themselves and ignore the evidence of Redknapp's shortcomings...both as a football manager and a person.

You're right Yid1882, there are a lot of retards around...

I think our first eleven,when all fit and on form, is good enough to challenge for a top four place. but when we have a couple of injuries of suspensions we become a very average and beatable side which is easy to play against. We have no-one who is going to demand a performance from the rest of the players.

MKYid...don't be so hard on yourself

Rid...'We have no-one who is going to demand a performance from the rest of the players'...Well the manager could!!

A lot of fans would admit that the teams currently above us are actually better than us. Liverpool started poorly and because we started well some are seeing this as a lost opportunity. What counts is where you sit after 38 games. A team with Torres, Gerrard, Mascherano, Carragher and Reina was always going to compete. They are just one player short of last year's title chasing side! It may not play beautiful football but they have big game experience to see things through.

I can understand fans getting caught up in the poor form at the moment but personally if we sack Harry now for footballing reasons we'd be more of a laughing stock then when we sacked Jol during a game. We are sitting 6th from top not 6th from bottom. Harry cannot be blamed that our club would like to be top 4 now because we have a stadium being built. You look at our squad compared to the rest and no one can say he's not getting them to play to their potential because they are about where they should be.

@Wert. You make a very good point about taking your chances when they're there, 'seizing the moment' if you like. Forget all this 'at the beginning of the season I would've taken blah, blah..'

4th was staring us in the face for crying out loud! We flatly refused to take it. The players bottled it and the manager threw it away by completely failing to use different players or systems when change was needed (ie. tactics).

This team 6 weeks ago was capable of securing 4th if only the manager knew how to utilise the squad. This team won't be good enough next season, but can we trust Redknapp with the transfer kitty, and if he were to bring in quality players, could we trust him to manage them properly?

A resounding NO! to both questions for me.

Alan what you say is right.It is the quality and style of the football which has become so alienating and predictable. When players are out other teams adapt. I feel teams lower in the league are catching us up rather than Spurs catching the teams above them.
we appear rudderless at times. Who knows what Harry faces in court but he appears distracted/uninterested, and like it or not the club has a timetable and I would imagine coaching staff have to fit in around that rather than vice versa

in the face of being unable to score surely Pav deserves a chance. The fact that Harry doesn't play him bewilders me.
He must be worth a shout for the last 15 minutes of a game.

Its the not playing Bale, Bentley Pav early on that 'perhaps' would have pushed the others to keep performaces up. Okay we now have to play Bale Bentley due to injuries. but will Lennon (you would expect) and BAE (Possibly not) get back in the starting 11??
and who's to say that Pav won't take his chance (if offered).
all players need to be kept on their toes.
the manager must do this.

also IMO Kranjcar starts on the left before Modric.
I would oput Modric alongside Palacios

I admit the football in the last few games has been sub standard and how the author of this article found any sense in Harry's decision-making vs Wolves I don't know but by in large as an ST holder I have been pleased with the standard of football I am getting for my money. I think we've struggled to cope with teams looking to park the bus but all successful sides have suffered from this in recent years. Arsenal at Highbury had problems, Liverpool and Villa as early as last year. It's frustrating but we are in transition. It takes two teams to see a great football game. Most of the time at WHL we are completely dominant, playing attack vs defence and that's why we see long balls because breaking them down gets harder and harder as the game goes on (especially without Lennon) and it also creates chances.

Rob, Anyone who doesn't trust Harry with transfer funds is crazy. His record in transfer market is second to none.

Pav's main problem for me is that he's a goal poacher like Defoe. I can't think of many successful sides in Europe that play with two out and out strikers from the start. Neither of team will chase defenders down or hold onto the ball for any period of time. away from home we'd be trouble I think.

I still think Harry sees his potential and in games he would like to bring him on like he did against leeds this year and west ham last year but Pav is understandably unhappy with this role. I rate Pav but not ahead of Defoe and I don't feel they can play together so what can Harry do?

Al. Keane, Crouch, Kaboul, Gudjohnsen? Mediocre or worse.

Alan...but when Pav and Defoe have played together they have looked good. They were beginning to establish a good partnership last season before Defoe's injury and in the friendlies pre-season they showed an understanding. Whether you believe that Defoe Paz can play together or not, it is worth a try at present and why Redknapp will not do this defies logic.

Bit too early to judge Gudjohnsen or Kaboul at spurs but if they go anything like Palacios, Bassong, Kranjcar then I would be delighted. Wouldn't call Crouch (someone with a 2 in 1 goalscoring record at England) poor. Keane and Chimbonda were poor signings although he got his money back on Chimbonda and Keane played his part in keeping us up so good return I think.

All managers have successes and failures in the transfer market but Harry's record is excellent. He likes to spend money but he doesn't waste it. If we were to sell all his signings we'd make a huge profit rather than what we are having to do with signings from previous regimes where we are making losses. No matter how Bentley, Hutton, Pav, Bent and Prince played they would have never brought a profit because we bought them at over inflated prices.

Yid, I would ask how many of those games in which Pav and Defoe have showed potential were away from home or against decent sides? It's like the argument over Modric playing centre. Many fans spent 18 months or so questioning why Harry didn't play him centre yet one game against leeds and all that was stopped. He then moved to left against Fulham and he was back to his best.

Personally I feel Pav and Defoe are fantastic individual goalscorers which would do well in any side however together they wouldn't work. They both have a shoot on sight policy which even Defoe on his own gets criticised for. What team plays two out and out strikers these days? You may argue that Anelka and Drogba are it but Pav is not a target man like Drogba.We'd struggle to retain the ball enough to get up the pitch to support them. It's be a huge gap between the two goal hangers and the rest of the team especially away from home.

Alan...the point is that when they were played together, admittedly for only a few games, they did play well and so with our current lack of goals it is worth a try.

As for Bassong being a good signing we will have to agree to disagree. With the exception of his debut he has been very disappointing.
I also think if you look at the whole of Redknapp transfer dealings, rather than a couple of profit making ones at Pompey, he does not have this wonderful record you seem to think of.

Plus, the so called previous regimes transfer dealings at Spurs were not too shabby...profit on the likes of Zokora, Berba/Carrick (these two made a 35m profit), Tainio, Steed etc..

Alan...and we broke even on Bent and KPB

we broke even on Bent!!
still amazing

We bought bent for 16.5m plus 1m based on add-ons. Bent was sold for 10m plus adds putting up to 16.5m. These add ons are not garantueed. The 16.5m to Charlton was. KPB we bought for 5.6m and sold for 4m. It's a loss. Zokora was bought for 8.5m and sold for the same and Tainio and Steed were minor losses. Bassong and Dawson together have looked fantastic and I agree he's got things to learn but at 8m he was a bargain. Kranjcar and Palacios would go for far more than what we paid. Diarra, Muntari, Defoe and Johnsen all went for at least double or at times triple what Harry paid.

I would also argue that Harry has developed the games of several underachievers at WHL increasing their value. Dawson, Gomes, Bale, Modric and Lennon have all credited Harry and his training staff. Their values have rocketed. Furthermore, there isn't many players at WHL who were doing well before he came and Harry ruined their career is there?

Question is tactics but in terms of man-management and transfer market you are way off base.

Alan...Charlton were paid 12m with add ons to 16.5m, Zok bought for 8m sold for 10m, KPB 4.5m the same we sold him for. Tainio was a free and we sold for 4m and Steed was sold for 4m and we signed him for 2m

Are you serious about HR developing players, please tell me you are joking? How can you claim he developed Dawson, Lennon, Bale, and Modric!!! Gomes just needed time to adapt to the English game, he was rated one of the best keepers in Europe before we signed him!

Bassong has looked like a startled rabbit in the headlights of a car and Wilson has had a poor season. Whether the death of his brother is the reason for Wilson's poor form or he has very little footballing ability in comparison of his high work rate time will tell.

Football is a game of opinions.

MDB...I know, Levy pulled a miracle out of the hat to achieve that for Bent

Do you really think we would get more than 14m for Wilson? I would seriously doubt that. Kran you would but we bought him on the cheap as his contract was soon out.

Darren Bent was bought for 16.5m no adds on as announced on the stock exchange

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/jun/29/newsstory.tottenhamhotspur

Find me a reliable source that qoutes Zokora at being sold for 10m and KPB for 4.5m. he was bought for 5.6m sold for 4m.

Lennon, Bale, Gomes, Dawson and Modric have all credited harry for developing their games. Just because the guy sounds like a taxi driver doesn't make him an idiot. Bale is now defending better than ever, Gomes can finally catch a ball, Lennon can cross one and Modric is developing on the left side which Harry found for him. All these players have improved under his manager. If his name was Javier Reschapps he would get far more credit for what he achieves.

You say kranjcar being out of contract is something Harry's got to apologise for. I didn't see anyone else smart enough to take advantage. 14m would get Palacios' left toe now.

Alan...All the guardian article says is that it was announced on the stock market that Bent had signed a 'six year deal'! Nothing about the transfer fee you muppet...try re-reading it!

How did we lose money on Tainio if we sold him for 4m and originally signed him on a free transfer?

Do you really believe Redknapp has tranformed these players into something they were not originally? Gomes rated one of the best keepers in Europe, Modric rated as world class, Daws was playing at this level under Jol, Bale was injured but showed these performances previously with Wales, Lennon was playing well but just not selected under Ramos. All these players had the ability, they have not been improved dramatically. It was always a matter of time for Lennon's final ball to improve, it was not magical coaching technique.

You need to remove the blue and white shades and look at the team the way it really is!

This article is pretty good on what Harry has done for Lennon.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id 683753 cc 5739

I could find one for the rest of them but surely the evidence is on the pitch?

'14m would get Palacios' left toe now'...now I know that you are just taking the p ss. Good wind up.

An article from the Guardian which you mis-understood and now a link that does not work!!

Brilliant, I am convinced...what a muppet!

I take it you didn't find anything on Zokora and KPB?

Bent was signed for 16.5m. Just google it and none will say 12m that you guessed. It's 16.5m that's it.

The fact that you can't find it in yourselves to acknowledge that harry has dramatically improved the games of the players I mentioned shows me this debate is a waste of time. Comments like ooh it was bound to happen anyway is as over simplistic an arguement as you claim Harry's management.

Ooh now starts the insults. Run out of plausible arguements so resort to what you know best. Well done mate.

Go find anything that backs up your own claims. Anything at all.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id 683753 cc 5739

I'm a fan of bent (no surprise to Alan) but to pay him 16.5m for was madness on our part. To expect to get 16.5m for selling him is sheer lunacy. We did well to get what we got for him and it was a good move for him too. Mind you, I notice he can score a penalty at least.

Al..I have not run out of plausiable arguments. I have answered your points but you refuse to answer mine. It is you that seems to be playing childish games with your infantile comments. Do you really think that I am going to be that sad to go back through articles over the last few years? If you were not alert enough to pay attention at the time of these transfers that is your problem not mine.

On the whole harry debate I still think he should be given more time. He's not my cup of tea but I think John Terry, Ashley Cole, and Drogba are a bunch of Tossers but I'd take them in at the lane tomorrow. There's not doubt we are a better team / squad now than a year ago. You'd have to give harry some credit for that.

Al...Before I go back to work, I have been that sad and immediately found an article stating the Bent transfer was in installments...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/6252254.stm


There you go, have fun...hahaha

Infinitle childish games huh? So I was the one calling you muppet? Sorry mate but I was alert enough to pay attention. Bent was bought for 16.5m. Back up your claims or don't waste my time as I am decent (sorry sad) enough to back mine up. All it takes is a few characters in google but you seem unwilling to make the effort. I wonder why? probably because you have and couldn't find anything because mate I have and couldn't find anything on KPB, Zokora and Bent based on the 4.5m, 10m, 12m figures you've mustered. I accept Tainio however was a free. Which based on how much time he managed to spend on the pitch was just about value for money.

Al...look at the previous post.

Bent's former club Ipswich will also benefit from the move, as they inserted a 20% sell-on clause when the striker moved to Charlton.

The Suffolk club will receive 2.58m. paid in three instalments over two years.


Idiot.

Nothing in there about it being add ons or 12m. It's installments that have to be paid. Not sell on. That only refers to ipswich deal.

Ffs...you said that Spurs paid the whole amount in one go...get a life mate. You have been proved wrong, just live with it.

...Charlton were paid 12m with add ons to 16.5m.

That's your words. Spurs paid 16.5m. Instalments or whatever doesn't matter. Irrespective of how bent plays paid 16.5m. Look up add ons as these are not the same as instalments. I never said we paid 16.5 up front.

Any news on the Zokora and KPB deals? No?

Fcuk me Alan you've got more patience than me. Anyone who feels he is substatiating his comments by name calling isn't worth my time.

It was such a meaningless debate anyway MK. Out of all the things people can call Harry, tactically inept, tax evader, walking advert for face lifts etc, poor in the transfer market he is not. It's his biggest assest. You don't get called wheeler dealer for nothing. yiddo1882 doesn't realise it but he's actually arguing for having Damien Comolli in charge of our transfers ahead of Harry.

I know Palacios didn't have the best of starts this year but he's returned to form. Against Fulham and Birmingham he was a class act. His importance was outlined in the Wolves game. He's far more talented than merely a hardworking DM. If we sold him for 14m I would be outraged. When we got over 5m for Zokora I wanted to get take him to Seville myself but the waiting list was too long!

well you might get called a wheeler dealer if you were a handicapped croupier...but that's not Harry. Yid1882 just doesn't like Harry...a lot of Spurs fans don't which is their prerogative, but you can't argue a point while ignoring the facts.

Haha very true. Something for Harry to consider when those chops become to heavy lift.

Harry's personality is flawed (his self promotion annoys me) but then who's perfect? O'Neil's jibberish, Wenger's lack of grace in defeat, Benitez's arrogance. What I find strange is that fans took to Ramos more than Harry. We never heard the guy speak English and for a master tactician he made some appalling decisions. You look at Seville and they have not struggled without him despite employing a reserve manager in his place and where is the money chasing waitor now?

mkyid and alan, get a room! Alan you need to accept tha people have different opinions to you and answer points rather than ignoring. Plus, if you put a link to an article make sure it proves your point...otherwise it can make you look rather silly.

I did find it very amusing how worked up you got over nothing...me and my colleagues found very funny. Still off to a meeting, have fun!

Enjoy bumming your colleagues in the 'meeting'.

It's funny how you think your above me by saying how busy you are and how you didn't get worked up over anything yet you still manage to find time to come here and respond to pathetic sad old me. What does that make you?

This is so funny. It makes worktime go quicker.

However, this is unfair as to wind you up is like shooting fish in a barrel!

Very mature line post 128, did you work on it for long? Anyway I must stop as your posts seem as though you are about to cry!

best part is, "you need to accept tha people have different opinions to you", says the man who calls people a muppet for disagreeing with him!

As oppose to 'mkyid and alan, get a room!'?

I believe I have answered all your football questions, while in fact you have side stepped mine. Still no proof of the KPB and Zokora deals and no acceptance that Bent didn't cost 12m plus add ons?

Also aren't you suppose to be a in meeting or do you just say that to make you sound more important than you actually are?

So boring...Mkyid I called him a muppet not becasue he disagreed with me but because he glorified a link thinking it proved him right when it didn't. It was a muppet thing to do. Obviously, you need to re-read the posts and if there is anything you do not understand just ask.

Right, work done and had a good laugh. All in all a good day. Have a good evening guys I know I will.

Ignored my football questions again and there was definitely no meeting. Good day to you.

We did not pay 16.5 mil for Bent it was a total consideration of 16.5 mil almost the same basis we sold him for a total consideration of 16.5 Mil that is what was given to the stock exchange. Bentley deal was done the same way its not what we pay but what we could potential pay. Reason for doing this is simple you buy an assest for 12 mil who could potential cost you 16.5 mil therefore your assets are valued at a slighlty higher rate than you paid your business making your club richer than it is.

12 mil 16.5 mil who gives a fuuuuck but one things for sure id rather have bent over crouch any day.

My understanding based on what I have read is that the Bent deal to spurs was 16.5m. Albeit instalments, it was a garantueed sum. The bent deal to sunderland however is 10m garantueed (again instalments) with the potential of 6.5m based on things like appearances for club and country and goals etc. It's not the same thing as one you can expect the other you can hope for.

One thing is for certain we won't have to try as hard to get 16m for Defoe. Similiar fee, different class.

Despite all the finacial wheeling and dealing the simple fact is that we are playing badly, at a crucial part of the season.Redknapp fan or doubter it has to be sorted out.I think Harry will be gone before rhe next transfer window opens. If he isnt I hope it means we have improved as a team and are playing better football.

What is most annoying about the way we are playing is that, what we've lost in Lennon we've gained in Bale..the rest of the team is, as was.

Ironically MK you were discussing Defoe getting on Bale's cut-backs ahead of the Bolton game and that's where the goal came. I still think Defoe has missed Lennon and as a team we've missed him. Take Fabregas out of Arsenal and they are not the same and neither are UTD without Rooney. Lennon was playing so well. He was leading the assists charts in the prem with something like 10. You are going to miss that however you are.

As a team we haven't played well but I have seen enough across the whole season to be encouraged that we are in good hands.

We started of well enough but with the introduction of crouch it has changed the way we play!! i wouldnt mind but they are not scoring enough goals as a partnership i think crouch has scored 5 goals and how many were league? defoe collection of goals have come against the lesser clubs.

Crouch has ten goals. 5 in the league.

For all this criticism over how many goals we have scored, out of the four clubs chasing 4th we are second behind city in terms of goals scored by only 3 goals. Plus have the better goal difference of all of them and we are just 2 points off 4th. Crouch and Defoe have 20 goals in 26 league games this year. This is only bettered by Tevez and Adebayor who have 21 between them (when considering the 4th place chasing teams). Most players get their goals against the lower placed sides. Bentley (I think) was the last prem player to score 3 against utd. It's only logical you score more against lower sides. Rooney scored 4 against Hull and 2/3 against Pompey. Tevez scored 3 against Blackburn. Who cares?

optimism -how will you all feel now that lennon is back if we finish fourth -beat arsenal and chelsea at home and make the trip to the cup final.
come on guys our club is free of debt and we are getting a new stadium, the debt free issue is huge and will place us in the best position going forward to compete.

coys

what ever the statistics Alan its boring we had a good start and weve fallen away all the statistics you mentioned mean nothing if we can not sustain them, we got ourselfs in a fantastic position and should have bettered it we havent! harry changed what was a near perfect formula for us to one that simply does not work, you are one of only a few that can not see that, we do not play and have never played the kind of football that harry is trying to achieve if we ever have then it was pre fifties, im sure you will google something that says other but ask the fans that have put the years in and followed our team from way back?? dont get me wrong weve had shit managers before who have tried to change the spurs style but none succeeded because the fans wont stand for it if harry dosent go back to the footie we were playing then he will get the bullett, the crouch defoe partnership isnt working it might work but on current form it doesnt! crouch control and shooting at the moment is way of and defoe has suffered but people will mention the lennon factor and they would be right but in those game crouch was merely a by stander. In all fairness youve only been following spurs through from the ninetys so you aint seen much in the way of good football.

I think 'when' Lennon returns we will see more football played. I think Bentley (although improving) is still not the same link player Lennon is. with Bael Lennon out wide it should mean Modric or Kranjcar can 'float' a little behind te 2 forwards (we'll say Defoe Crouch as that appears to be Harry's favourite pairing).
at the moment the ball for Lennon to chase or run with isn't on so it gets directed to Crouch.
we don't like it. and I'm fairly sure Crouch doesn't like it (all the time) either.

lets hope for a Lennon return.
unfair on Bentley but we need Lennon back in the side at the moment

Comment made yesterday that DC's signing were poor...which I do not really believe.

He signed Gomes, BAE, Bale, Woodgate, Modric, Berbatov, Chimbonda, Malbranque.

Possible bad signings Zokora (who has been outstanding for Seville, shame 'arry's magical coaching skillls could not have worked on him!), Kaboul (young guy that may have needed time to settle but has played very well for Pompey this season)), Bent (who we will get our money back plus his record before and since Spurs is impressive), Pav (not been given a fair chance), Dos Santos/Tarrabt (the same as Pav).

Whether you like DC or not his signings were not as bad as some might have you believe. Both Zokora and Bent had impressive records before joining Spurs and have since leaving. Bad players, not suited for Tottenham or bad coaching. Probably a combination of the latter two.

Forgot Bentley, who now that he has settled seems to have started to deliver.

We need Lennon too much. It's not good that we rely on one man so much, he's had a great season and could easily attract offers from bigger clubs in the summer....then what? Utd come in and steal him before next season kicks off (as they do) and we're left with this brand of dire football for god knows how many years.

Personally, I think 'arry should play 4-5-1 with defoe as the lone striker, and focus on passing our way through teams.

A midfield of Lennon, Wilson, Huddlestone, Kran and Modric.

mkyid...it may sound like 'arry knocking but whose fault is is that our team tactic revolves around one player. I still think this shows Reddknapp's lack of ability as a manager.

MK i think united would be more interested in Bale??

I don't disagree yid1882, our game revolves around certain players, I call them, Harry's favorites. There are guys within the squad who, regardless of form, will only get a game if Harry has no other choice. Harry doesn't like Bentley, he doesn't like Pav or Hutton and I don't think he likes Gomes. I will say however, when Harry does get his own players in he motivates them well. But this is why Harry goes for the same players, because he knows he can work with them.

Wert, my fear is that Utd will come in for both Bale and Lennon leaving us completley fcuked.

mkyid...fair point. The question is whether 'arry's players will be good enought to take the club forward. On evidence so far I feel the jury is out.
I was surprised Redknapp did not use Hutton at RB while Lennon was out. Him and Bale could have provided the width that was needed with the wide midfielders tucking in. This would have been a good option particularly when at home and teams are closing us down.

I think Lennon and Bale in the same team will open up the opposition more, as it will be a balanced attack.

I think Hutton lacks a little defensivly, however Walker has impressed to the extent where Harry has seen fit to recall him...yet has still declined to play him. In the absence of Lennon I would like to have seen an attacking full back to provide some width but Harry has persisted with Corluka....but like I say, Harry has his favorites and the Croatian trio fall into that bracket.

Hutton does lack defensively, however against teams like Hull at home, or Villa who sat back and defended for the last 20 plus minutes, I think his lack of defensive awareness would not have been an issue...but his overlapping could have stretched the opposition.

Wert, I don't disagree that the football in the last few games has been disappointing but you stated statistics that were wrong. You criticise Harry using stats but when it doesn't work for you criticise me for using them. I have held a season ticket for 8 years I think that entitles me to an opinion. Didn't realise being a spurs fan came with age restrictions.

Yiddo, You have listed players bought in the DC era that you thought were good signings. My question to you is that how did they perform BEFORE Harry arrived?

You look at Wayne Rooney last night and even though he was always going to be a very good player you can see that Fergie has developed his game, particularly his heading and work around the pen area. This didn't just happen.

Same goes for Modric, Lennon, Bale and Gomes. All of these players have dramatically improved. Credit should be given where it due. Modric was a class player when he signed but thrown into the middle he was lost. Harry found a position for him on the left and he's grown into the role. Lennon could always take on a man but attempted to cross at speed which resulted in him hitting the first man all the time. He looks much the better player now. Gomes' improvement under Tony Parks is exceptional. Brazilian Keepers have never been good at catching but Gomes is now one of the best. He's gone from punching it to catching. Development. Bale always great going forward. Utterly useless defensively. Not the case any longer. But no Harry didn't do that. Commoli and Ramos did.

Considering Modric only played in a handful of games before 'arry arrived and had to adjust to a new country and playing style are you really sure his improvement was down to Redknapp?

My point, which you missed, is that these guys are back to performing where their initial level was already, not surpassed it. I do not see Redknapp has having improved them vastly. The guys have been training for the last 18mths so there should be an improvement! However, i would not say that their form has improved to such a level that you can credit Redknapp soley. There are many other factors to take into account.

However, I am not going to participate in another sensless discussion, no matter how amusing it was yesterday. I suggest we agree to disagree.

Didn't realise actually talking football on a spurs forum was a senseless issue but OK. Go amuse yourself with discussions with make believe colleagues in non-existant meetings.

Regardless of whether someone is willing to credit harry for developing the players at least he has got those playing to their potential or 'level' which was not the case in the previous regime. I can't stand here defending Harry tactically or his saggy chops because he has weaknesses that even me (as a massive Harry fan) am not blinkered to see. But credit should be given where it is due and Harry has done some very good things to his credit.

What is your problem Albaby...we have had a discussion, we still disagree so move on. I do not see why you are being so childish over this, just because someone disagrees with you? So we all have to agree with Albaby!?

The comment about colleagues and meetings is also very strange...I am not going to apologise for having a job! Imo you need to grow up a little.

Albaby, go away you poof.

And the players obviously respect 'arry...hence the Xmas party behind his back and ignoring the alcohol ban he imposed at the beginning of the season!!

What's the problem yiddio? Do I have to agree with you? Let it go mate.

Albaby, the comment of 164 seems to be homophobic. I am hetrasexual but I do not see why you should use homosexuality as an abuse...it is an individual's right.

I wonder if you will be banned!

Post of 166 makes no sense. I am the way saying you do not have to agree with me and so move on!!!

If you must comment on posts please read them first so you do not look stupid. Anyway, if you are not going to talk about football I guess i will get some work done.

Please try, me and Saul will have a good laugh about it.

This is email address

sgtseasalt@hotmail.com

My name is Alan and I openly called you poof. Go ahead.

Its about time you grew up alan and stop turning everything into an argument if someone disagrees with you then you smack them with your google fixation, the stat i mentioned i questioned my self first but still it was 5 goals we all get things wrong except you or have i got that wrong?? could you google that and let me know, you seem like an inteligent bloke so dont spoil it with your little man big man behaviour. Stats are good if you can rely on them but being a man that likes to have a punt i know first hand in a single game of football they dont mean jack??

Do you really think I can be bothered to make a complaint over someone like you?

So by your post of 170 you are saying that the rules on the site do not apply? That instead of a football site you can use it as a way to attempt to insult people who have a different opinion to you? Interesting, and there i am thinking that it may have been a credible site to discuss football issues.

However, I do feel that you need some serious help. Have a good day Albaby

Wert, You have spent the last few weeks on here swearing blind at Harry with 'cuuunnt' this and all that and you want me to grow up? The funny thing you get worked up I don't agree with you but criticise me for getting worked up you don't agree with you. This is forum, if you don't want your opinions to be questionned don't post on here.

Post 173...at which point Albaby threw his toys down and stormed out of the room...haha, classic.

You keep saying back to a meeting or off to work, yet you never actually leave do you yiddio? Bizarre.

I work at a computer. How bizzare is that. I switch between the two. wonderful inventions these PC's!!

So why keep saying off to work then? Idiot.

I dont think harry uses this site so im talking about him not to him thats the difference alan and we all have had a go at someone or something at time including you, grow up alan as one of the leading posters on here you need show more calm.

Albaby, just what is your age? Off/back to work what difference does it make? I just switch between the two.

If you are something to do with this site, even if it is only posting articles, you are doing a dis-service to it with your immature behaviour. You have diminshed yours and the sites creditability...something which the administrators of the site must be very pleased with!

Love is in the Air !

So let me get this straight, you feel this site has no creditability and have no respect for me whatsoever? But yet you have spent the last few days flicking between work and here.

You claim initially that it is to your mere amusement but I am beginning to think it goes beyond that. I think you're obsessed with me. First it was to find out my involvement with site and calling me baby and now you want to know how old I am. I think you must have typed in match on google (oops there's my fascination with that search engine again) and came up with a football forum. It's match.com you need mate. Look up males. I am straight and the only person who calls me Albaby is my missus. Sorry.

Here's the acid test, how many times did you refresh your page in the time it took my to go to the deli and back in the hope of response from your Albaby?

harry has got the club and set up back on course. before harry we had one man buying the players, another man director of football and another acting as manager. at least now if the team dont perform it is down to one man. before harry arrived i think spurs players were just happy to pick up their weeks wages and enjoy life. now harry seems to be demanding that the players earn their money. they say he f the head off bentley because he did not try in a reserve match and rightly so. as for people saying bentley is getting back to his best yer having a laugh. i will be happy when harry sells him in the summer. from watching spurs last 4 or 5 games it seems to me that spurs are lacking pace and ball winners. yes i know us spurs fans like watching good football but a team with the croat, bentley and hudd will find it hard to break down teams. i dont think hudd is good enough as a play maker i would start modric in that position and give him a go. an yes wert i agree with you, if people get insulted because someone f's the head off them are dont agree with them then dont bother coming on. i like nothing better than having a good arguement with a fellow spurs fan about spurs and yes i can get pis@ed off and insulting but at the end of the day life would be boring if we all agreed and the site would not be worth posting on.

wtf is wrong with Alan lately?
Are you on the verge of a nervous breakdown or has somebody hacked your IP?
If I didn't know better I'd suspect Craig's mate Wattsy of a wind-up.
You're there to be shot down with the amount of posting you do Alan, it's the basis for this whole forum.
If you give it you need to take it.

Raver, totally agree over the Bently comment, I'd also like to see Modric given a chance besides Wilson.
I don't mind an argument, just don't call people things on here you wouldn't call them in the street/pub.

Albaby...calm down. I said you are discrediting it, at the beginning it seemed a decent football site and hopefully once you have stopped throwing your toys out of the pram maybe a football debate can begin again.

You seem as though you want to argue, which if on a football issue then fine but for some reason you do not want it to be.

The reason why I said lets move on is because you don't agree with me on this particular football issue and I do not agree with you, we reached an impasse. So rather than be boring and keep posting the same comments I thought it would be best to discuss another football topic. However, you seem to take it as a personal insult that someone dares to have a different opinion to you and want to have an argument. You want to keep going on, and on being completely boring discussing the same thing.

Agree to disagree and then you won't be such a bore.

Notwithstanding Alan's comments, Modric has never been given a chance to play in the cenre of midfield alongside Wilson. Harry needs to try playing Modric in his natural position. Then Harry must tell Dawson and the rest of the back 4 to pass the ball to Modric at every opportunity. This is the only way to get our Spurs football back.

Albaby, can I get a salt-beed on Rye from the deli please.... drop of english mustard too if possible

yiddenagenda...'If you give it you need to take it.'

Careful you may be accused of being a 'poof'!!

I really don't think we could play Modric in the centre...maybe on his early season form but not since his injury. Against Bolton I saw him duck and cover from a high ball and nearest Bolton player was a few yards away. He's still smarting from that injury, I don't know how long it'll take before Mods gets his confidence back but untill then I wouldn't even entertain the idea of him playing centre.

canuck yid...Modders would give more creativity in that position and is more mobile than Thudd. Hopefully, he would be able to dictate the flow of play the same way Fab does for the scum.

I thought when we signed Modric CM was his position, though he could play wide as an option.

mkyid...could possibly play him there as part of a 5 man midfield. Personally I would have kept O'Hara and played him and Wilson in the centre with Modders having the free role infront of them.

Spot on MK and we have now also lost what kranc was giving us in place of modric.

The only shinning light is the emergence of Bale and you know what he also got a hefty right foot shot on him.

Well Kranjcar was on form but was dropped for the returning Modric...now we've got 2 Croats for the left wing, neither on top form.
I do agree that Modric could do well in a 5 man mid as he'll have protection from Palacios and O'Hara, the downside to that is Modric doesn't score much and a lot of pressure would be put on our lone striker.

i'd like to see this team for wigan...assuming Lennon still out.
--------------Gomes-------------
Walker----King----Kaboul----Bale
Bentley-Palacios-Kranjar-Modric
------------Gudjohnson----------
-----------Pavlyuchenko---------

this is a very well balanced team..

MK...True about Modders scoring record. But as Cappella has done at England level, he is demanding that all players chip in. It would need the likes of Modric, Lennon, Kran (if on the left) to support Defoe with their fair share of goals.

I view Defoe as a 'flat pitch bully', but as someone posted on here at least he is scoring! The other players really do need to step up and be counted.

I understand the arguments as to why Modric couldn't play in the centre of midfield (although I don't agree). What I don't understand is how is it possible that Modric and Palacios are on the same team and have never even been tried together in the centre? Since Palacios arrived at Spurs we've tried all kinds of centre midfield combinations, yet Modric/Palacios is not one of them. Frankly, I find that bizarre.

We've had a few goals from Kranjcar and Lennon but Palacios and especially Hudd just don't get enough. As for Defoe...when were not on top he can be annoymous, aside from a few offside decisions, much like he was at Bolton but then, again at Bolton, he was given the ball to his feet and half inch of space and scored. It's hard to knock him when he finishes like that!

Spezza, that's not a bad team...

Canuck, Harry just doesn't see Moddy as a CM. Harry said we have 3 CM's at the club (Palacios, Hudd and JJ) considering JJ's poor poor form I still think O'Hara should be recalled...but considering he hasn't been, I maintain there is more to his move than purely football reasons.

MK...Palacios and Thudd's goal return so far this season is appalling. Defoe is our only one realoption of converting an opportunity and when the opposition mark him out the game we have real difficulty.

It would be great if Defoe could workout the offside rules, but if hasn't by now then I guess he never will. Plus, his finishing just seems to be hit it as hard as he can, I am sure he had more variety in his finsihing a few years back. He would convert more chances if he got that variety back.

But at least he is scoring.

MK, if Capello or Ancelotti were in charge of Spurs, I guarantee Modric would be playing in the centre of midfield. And since you bring up the subject, how can Jenas be considered more of a CM than Modric?

MK...O'Hara came out in the press and said that when he went back to Spurs in Jan he was made to feel like an outsider by the coaching staff.

Guess he is one of the players Redknapp does not fancy. It is always difficult to tell with 'arry as he can praise players and then leave them out of the squad!

Excuse my Ignorance, What is a flat pitch bully?

Perry Man...It is a cricket term to describe a batsman who looks good and scores alot of runs on an easy batting pitch which makes his batting average good but struggles against better opposition and on a difficult pitch.

I think it describes not only Defoe but the performances of the current Tottenham team!

We were getting goals from all over the pitch early in the season. In fact only a few weeks into the season all our outfield players had scored. Something has gone wrong since.

Thanks Yiddo1882. The day you don't learn something new is a bad one.

Perry Man...I think some of the players became lazy and just left it to the forwards rather than taking some responsibilty of contributing themselves.

Canuck, I don't how JJ can be seen a more of an anything than anyone.

Unless O'Hara has systematicly gone round and fcuked each of the coaches wifes there is no reason they should be so unprofessional then. No-one, from player to chairman, should let their personal feelings get in the way of whats best for the team.

MK...spot on.

Since O'Hara first pulled on a spurs jersey loads of fans on this site and elsewhere have been saying he is not good enough for spurs. The calls for him to come back now is a real case of far away hills being greener.

For what it's worth I always thought, and still do, that he can do a great job for spurs. In one of his first games for us, against Arsenal, he gave away possession two or three times in the first few minutes. He didn't go and hide but kept looking for the ball and had a good game afterwards. That shows Balls. At the end of that season Jenas was saying he was looking forward to the summer break while O'Hara was looking forward to getting back to pre season.

Maybe it's my age but I like a player with that kind of attitude. I thought harry did too but apparently not. It's a shame.

O'Hara is technically limited, he doesn't have the class of many of the players we have but he has heart, a quality sadly lacking in a lot of our more skillfull players. whether you appreciate his contribution or not, people would have to be seriously blinkered to not realise that given JJ as the only other option (which he curently is), JOH is the better man to come and strengthen the midfield.

Harry said on a few occasions that we are light in midfield and he only has 3 midfielders in JJ, Hudds and Palacious so why loan at Ohara, not only that Harry said Kranjcar can play across the middle from left to right and after Modric s performance in the middle against Stoke at the lane last season he said Modric could defo play there but now he says Modders can play there at a "pinch"

If we are looking for more goals from midfield, playing Kranjar in the middle with Modric and Bentley out wide, would seem the most potent combination. Modric naturally drifts in from the left allowing Bale to overlap. How this effects the defense is not quite so clear.

fellas, its simple. In the beginning of the season, harry played defoe and keane. two little men up front and all the football being played on the ground. Balls thru the middle, balls out to the wing to Lennon were a joy to behold. The midfield were arriving at the right time and if Defoe didnt have a shot, somebody else would. Luka was playing left side, Lennon on the right, Thudd was roving and Wilson stopped everything coming thru the middle.When we lost the ball, Lennon would chase back and cover Charlie Corluka and Benny would get his cover from Daws or Bassong.But then Modric was injured, Crouch was bought in to play along side Defoe and we end up knocking 50 yard balls to Crouch to knock down to Defoe. The midfield got lazy and too defensive because they were not asked to create,just defend.i am mystified how we have changed our entire shape with Crouch.It shames me to say it but we are now A LONG BALL TEAM. its very sad. My Spurs have dissappeared. i loathe watching when Crouch is in the team.Our midfield,which is our strength creatively ( modric , Thudd and Lennon )gets bypassed by Daws hitting 40-50 yard balls upfield.Why did we change our style when Luka was injured.I d love to know.The team that was 4-4-2 at the beginning of the season was a top 4 team. The team Harry plays now are not. The common denominator amongst the top four teams is their ability to play football on the ground, not knocking long balls up front.If we can see it, why can t Harry?

The so called top four have the ability to change there system (formation) depending on there opposition and/or players available but we play a 4-4-2 regardless when harry did try 4-3-3 he put Keane wide left was adamant he can do a job there (we all know how those games ended) Mancini also has the know how and confidence to change his formation as he has shown. As far as im aware all harry teams play 4-4-2 and thats what he knows. Can you teach and old dog new tricks? Lets hope so.

The pther possibility, is kranky left, Lennon right, Thudd and Wilson in the middle, Modric playing behind Defoe. Its not physically powerful in the box, but should create space, and as Spursdad says we were scoring at the begining of the season with two little uns upfront. Whatever the problem is, the solution is not Bently. He has no pace and his passing/crossing is not special enough.

For Croatia Modric played centre mid and Kranjcar plays wide left. I remember Modric having both Stevie G and frnk Lamps in his pocket for that qualifying game he was superb. Id play Kranjcar wide left and have the trio of Modders, Palacious and maybe even Gudjohnsen in the middle with Bently wide right until Lennon returns. If it was not working get Eidur to push up and your back to a 4-4-2 without having to use a sub. I don t think Harry has much confidence in his own abilities how can a manager be scared to make changes just incase they back fire? I say this because he hardly uses his subs.

Come on you spurs
How can you say Harry doesn t use his subs.He doesn t use them correctly. Everyone in the ground knows what is needed.When we are ahead,do not bring off a striker, it lets teams play onto us and creates pressure for the defence.Leave your back four alone, they have to learn to play together.If anything, take off your winger or both wide men and put on extra midfield players to make it hard to play thru us.You need strikers ( 2) so they can hold the ball up. Also 2 strikers means at least 3 defenders to match them up.If you go down to 1 striker last 10 minutes of a game ( particularly if you are winning)it invites the extra defender to go forward creating mis-matches in midfield.Use your dtrikers as the first line of defence.For Gods sake, every football fan knows this, why doesn t our management team.

It's natural to look for alternatives when the team isn't playing well but I don't feel Keane and O'Hara are not the answer. Keane wasn't producing it for us despite getting a lot of game time and when you play with 2 short men up front you need both of them working hard and possessing a lot of technical ability. The ball was just bouncing off Keane. O'Hara is coming on well at pompey but he's benefitting from regular games. Comparisons to JJ are rather meaningless as O'hara wants to be first choice in this stage of his career so you have to compare him to Hudd. I haven't seen Pompey play a great deal but looking good in that side against League 1 sides is not substantial enough, just ask JJ who played OK against Leeds.

If Crouch is not the answer then I would prefer if we still had more height in the team. The average of a height and physical build in a team is factor, otherwise we'd play nice stuff only to get bullied and concede goals from set plays. Going to places like Bolton, Stoke, Blackburn or even Chelsea would be frightening. If Gudjohnsen can get himself fully fit, he could be the solution up front. He's got guile and physical presence in one.

Alan, I compare O'Hara with JJ because I'm looking at players who can come in for Hudd or Palacios if need be. I don't compare JOH to Hudd because if Palacios needs resting we don't look at JJ, JOH or Hudd to replace him because Hudd is already playing.

Pav is 6ft 2...

when keane did play so did the rest of the team yes keane himself was of form and rightly dislodge in many eyes but still the only reliable penalty taker we have but yes still not enough to keep his place, with crouch he is massively lacking in all departments at the moment his shooting is very poor for someone so tall he is so weak the only advantage we have with him is in our own box and is that enough to keep him in?? as for being a hold up player im not sure he is very one dimentional in my eyes and lets face it defoe's for has dropt because they lack that understanding require from the big man and little man combination.

MK I agree that O'Hara would be my choice ahead of JJ everytime. It's probably more accurate for me to say who would rather O'hara or Palacios. Once a player gets a taste of regular first team football, he won't easily let it go. Consider O'hara's character. Like someone mentioned earlier, in the summer he was looking forward to preseason. This lad has left a very comfortable position at a fashionable london club for a team in complete disarray. Simply because he wants to play. harry couldn't garantuee that so like Keane he let him go. You only have to look at Pav to see what problems unhappy players cause. You could argue that Harry should disregard O'Hara's feelings about it but Harry get's slaughtered for keeping Pav against his will.

surprising really considering the amount of time they've spent playing together. The problem is Crouch and Defoe are Harry's favorites and untill Harry buys someone else he likes we're stuck with just them.

I just think Defoe is a very difficult player to find a partner for. His selfishness in front of goal means he probably suits a selfless player who is willing to be his link man. I have not seen many clubs play two defoe types up front. In fact you don't see many top sides play with one such player. That said I believe you need one but can't afford two. I think Crouch's ability is limited which is why I hope in time Gudjohnsen can be given a chance. He needs to get himself fully fit. Looked off pace against Wolves.

As for the O'Hara thing, the differance between JOH and Pav is, Pav is just asking for some time on the pitch, JOH has suddenly become primadonna who demands to be starting every week...apparently. I don't see any reason Harry couldn't have phoned JOH a while ago and said, 'We've got Wolves coming up and I need you to start'. In fact seeing as Harry has decided we're definately going for the cup (because most of the top sides are out), we're going to need all the players we've got (incidently, thats something he said to Pav when he refused to sell him). I'm surprised Harry hasn't been able to assure O'Hara that he will get a few starts and that he may well get appearances on games he doesn't start. Does JOH really think he'll start every game at a club pushing for the top 4? As I've said, I don't think he does. For whatever reason the management have decided to ostrasize him and I think that is poor showing and could cost us.

MK I would post a few links with qoutes of O'Hara saying he wanted to leave and Levy himself confirming he was approached directly by O'Hara but I am not very popular when I do that.

The issue that will cost us is not so much O'Hara going (on the basis there's little point keeping a unhappy player) but that we did not secure a combative midfielder. Sandro deal was fraught with complications and someone else should have been brought in. I hope Kaboul could do a job there but Harry didn't bother trying him when resting Palacios against Wolves.

pushing for top 4 hahahaha. maybe some games instead of playing jenas may have helped..y'know manage the player give him a glimpse. the games that have been given to JJ and Huddlestone who has deserved some starts, for consistently being poor is laughable. i happen to think O'hara would do a good job for us and put welcome pressure on Thud.
Do you work for Spurs Alan you seem to be very close to quotes and stuff..or is it papertalk.
Alan.. not much point keeping an unhappy player.. what like Pavleychenko.As you state we did not buy a combative midfielder so why not massage the ego of one we had access to,just little.
Something smells wrong at the lane I hope I am wrong and it all turns round.

just a little

Alan please post the links if you don't mind. I keep hearing people say he wants to be first choice. My memory is that he wanted regular football. There is a difference. But if he's demanding to start every game he's deluded and I'll agree he should be left on the coast.

All my information is from newspapers, I am no ITK unfortunately. I wish I did work for spurs because I would definitely actually work! I can only assume that Harry wants to play Pav after his showing against leeds as otherwise keeping despite an apparent acceptable bid is just cruel.

Perry Man, will do. Just a mo...

This is the one to Levy

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/football/635018/SPURS-HAPPY-TO-EXTEND-OHARA-DEAL.html

HaHaha I know what you mean Alan about the work thing.

O'Hara himself

http://mobile.premierleague.com/page/Headlines/0,,12306 1872754,00.html

The amount of time I research into tottenham (The other day I read up about groin injuries because of Lennon) I wish I could get paid for it!

Perry Man, what he is saying is he wants to play every week and that's all he can ask for. At spurs he always on the bench and last season he appeared on 27 occasions for us and this year it was 6 despite spending most of his time at Pompey. He's never really criticised Harry for not playing, accepting that at spurs he is up against 'world class players' (his words not mine) so in fairness he appreciates his level is lower half PL (if wants to be first choice).

This one is brilliant...O'Hara on England!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/sep/11/jamie-ohara-portsmouth-tottenham

Anyways I am off for today guys, hope to get a preview posted tomorrow. Not a great day for me on here! Apologies to any offence caused. We're all tottenham fans at the end of the day!

Always like a good linky ) ...except that second one didn't work.

Fcuk me O'Hara has lost the plot! England? World cup? Permanent move? How the fcuk is he going to get in the England squad when he's playing in the championship? Fcuk his aspirations of mediocrity...we need some support for Wilson and the Thudd, recall him!

Well played Alan although i dont like the Albaby nickname im going with statto statto although its me who wants the fantasty football.

perhaps pompey will take huddlestone and jenas with em eh.sweet fkn dreams.

i have to wonder about some of his actions, 1 why is he not playing the young players some of the time, and bringing them through, why is he not playing pav, he needs games to come good for us, and most of the spurs fans want to see him also. 2 why does he keep playing crouch, when he plays he does nothing, and we always end up playing high balls to him, and that is not the tottenham way, crouch is a sub , no more than that, never first team. 3 he doesnt seem to change things when its needed, and its frustrating to us fans , because that wolves performance was dire, we were in autopilot mode, no motivation , no enthusiasm, no creativity.
pros- hes brought some very good players, which im pleased with, defoe, modric, palacios, krankjer, bales coming good now, bentleys getting better, so hes done well there.
i feel we should give him the chance to take our team to the top, but please drop crouch, and stop this long ball crap, we do play some lovely football as well, but all everyone is talking about, is us playing the long ball, and i dont like that.
and please harry get rid of jenas, please, please, please, please, and get huddlestone some target practice, we should be scoring more goals from midfield, so he is not doing good enough, we cant just rely on the strikers, the goals have to come from all over, then we will break the top 4.

HARRY OUT HARRY OUT!

Spuds, do you lot know you have a reputation of being fickle?

Sorry about the link MK, I can't copy and paste the info either. If you wish to access the story, it's just 'premier league.com o'hara' on google and it's the first story.

Thanks Alan, He's an ambitions kid who wants to play but a little deluded. He goes to portsmouth because he can't get in the spurs team then thinks he can force his way into the England midfield. Yeah, right! Still, I'd like him back at spurs as I'm sure his wages aren't that high (relatively).

If you want a job at spurs you should try the Press office. You'd certainly have all the facts but I can see you decking a couple of journalists who don't agree with you. That's would be a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

Haha, cheers Perry Man, I watch that Sunday Supplement on Sundays and there's a few on there I would love to have a few words with!

I think in O'hara we've lost a character. I can't argue with that. Hopefully what he learns at troubled pompey can benefit us next year or we sign someone so good we'll never mention him and his missus again!

Morning Baron,
What no appearance this morning!! I wonder why?
Could it be that the goons reserve keeper is actually Coco the clown!!!

not fabianski ...but just Fab

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